And for my entire life the ‘lesser’ evil has used that as an excuse to keep getting more evil a bit at a time. So how about we go for not evil and see how that goes?
None of this exists yet, so it’s not an alternative, it’s wishful thinking.
My question was: since your choice is between Republicans or Democrats, what do you choose if you believe Dems are “as bad as” Reps? Not voting (meaning R-win)? Terror attacks (meaning R-win)? Assassinations (meaning R-win)?
Pay close attention to the grey states that banned it, and then go cross reference that with what party controlls what state, then step one will become clear: the Republicans are the problem.
Your PFP shows exactly who you are. People ARE voting in the primaries for candidates that DO want to do something to stop Trump.
Politicians literally compete in mockery contests of who can do the least for their constituents and still get elected, and consistently make fun of people who want to actually work. These are the people you support.
Saying “we havent tried” and suggesting 3rd party candidates is intentionally being obstinate and uncooperative.
We need an Australian voting system. Required voting and ranked choice. That should be what you’re arguing for. Not whining that the world doesnt work how you want it.
Liberal lesser evil gave us trump. Everytime you accept a small evil it allows a slightly larger evil next time. Compounded over decades and we get trump
Maybe you should argue for a different method of voting instead, then. Liberal lesser evil didnt give us the orange diaper dumpster, the two party system based on money and gerrymandering is what did it.
Compulsory voting + Ranked choice. Are you for something like that, or are you against it? It would be a great thing to continue promoting, and its much less hateful and directly confrontational.
Id love to debate but it would just be about logical fallacies that arent really related to your intent, as your intent is expressed well.
Maybe you should argue for a different method of voting instead, then.
Any new method of voting has to be put in place by people we elect. We won’t meet the prerequisites without non-evil candidates, and it’s clear that you don’t want anyone to say anything less than worshipful about the ones we have.
Ahh you’re one of the reasons why more genocides are happening, now, caused by someone we definitely cant get to stop through protest. Remember, you voted for this.
Great foresight.
As for “not evil”, I want to know who has been “not evil” by your definition.
So how about we go for not evil and see how that goes?
Lol.
Care to elaborate?
Actually, don’t bother. THERE IS NO VIABLE THIRD PARTY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Why?
Because no 3rd party is even putting in the effort.
Voters aren’t taking any 3rd party seriously by voting for them in local/state elections to get more than ZERO of them in Congress.
So your idea of voting for not evil is throwing in your vote behind some irrelevant 3rd party that is probably also corrupt (Jill Stein) and standing absolutely, positively no chance of winning so we end up getting the most evil option.
Crossing your fingers and hoping for magical powers to make a 3rd party viable is not something us adults are interested in. Electing what is undeniably the better party and then reforming that party by primarying the bad actors out is the realistic approach that adults are interested in.
There’s been a not evil candidate in every primary that actually happened recently (historically speaking). The DNC however cannot abide anything that is not evil. They would happily let the world burn to stop it getting any amount better.
The ratchet is awful, but in this moment it’s still the lesser of 2 evils.
These “both sides” arguments are like saying you refuse to walk across a shitty floor because you want to keep your shoes clean when the alternative is being fully immersed in sewage with your mouth open.
You could also pay attention to democrats consistently fixing the economy that republicans leave us with, but pretending theyre the same is totally true. Rocks and turtles are both hard and definitely alive, they must be the same.
Yes, and allowing yourself to be played in that context is how we end up in a world where “the lesser evil” is “committing a holocaust but at least pretending to be sorry about it”
I won’t sign my name to endorse any evil. I don’t care if your less evil party loses as a result. Run a not-evil candidate, or lose again. I truly don’t care.
Then you will have Donald Trump, his inevitable clones, and the GOP as your leaders for the remainder of your life, as the quality of your life plummets.
Grow up, kid. Do the intelligent thing. Elect the lesser of two evils, which is a whole hell of a lot less evil than what we’re currently seeing, because no other option is viable, then work to primary the bad actors out.
Three things. One, you’re literally defending the bad actors. Two, people are doing that. Three, every time non-bad actors try to primary bad actors, the DNC ratfucks them at every turn. The only reason the good actors are winning so much right now is DESPITE your party’s consistent attempt to prevent meaningful change.
You are responsible for Donald Trump. You elected weak and ineffective leaders and defended them at every turn. He removed America’s mask. What you’re suffering through is peanuts compared to what America has done for 80 years. It’s the least you deserve.
You’re gonna live to see the DNC colonized by progressives and there is nothing you can do about it.
Lesser evil does not exist, only evil. A small amount of acceptable evil allows an incrementally larger evil the next time. Compounded over 50 years we have our current political climate.
How much time do you want for your progress? Liberals have been making that same demand for decades, your party will constantly provide you with things to vote against in order to keep the oligarchy, which includes them, in power.
Hey, it’s the dipshit that gets downvoted on his own sub which he is the sole moderator of because he posts the dumbest comments imaginable and who bans anyone who voices a different opinion than himself because he so desperately needs his safe space to feel powerful.
The two sides are not equal. There is a lesser of two “evils”.
And for my entire life the ‘lesser’ evil has used that as an excuse to keep getting more evil a bit at a time. So how about we go for not evil and see how that goes?
So who do you propose should win?
You guys need to fix your system from the ground up, it’s broken. Electing the other party doesn’t change that
And in the meantime?
Ranked voting and redoing how the senate represent the masses is the first step.
Term limits is second.
Campaign promises third.
If you fix those I believe it’ll be a far better election process
What are you talking about…?
None of this exists yet, so it’s not an alternative, it’s wishful thinking.
My question was: since your choice is between Republicans or Democrats, what do you choose if you believe Dems are “as bad as” Reps? Not voting (meaning R-win)? Terror attacks (meaning R-win)? Assassinations (meaning R-win)?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_United_States
Pay close attention to the grey states that banned it, and then go cross reference that with what party controlls what state, then step one will become clear: the Republicans are the problem.
They aren’t proposing anything, which is why they shouldn’t be taken seriously.
Your PFP shows exactly who you are. People ARE voting in the primaries for candidates that DO want to do something to stop Trump.
Politicians literally compete in mockery contests of who can do the least for their constituents and still get elected, and consistently make fun of people who want to actually work. These are the people you support.
Well we tried that and now we have satan in office.
No, we haven’t tried. That’s the problem.
Saying “we havent tried” and suggesting 3rd party candidates is intentionally being obstinate and uncooperative.
We need an Australian voting system. Required voting and ranked choice. That should be what you’re arguing for. Not whining that the world doesnt work how you want it.
Liberal lesser evil gave us trump. Everytime you accept a small evil it allows a slightly larger evil next time. Compounded over decades and we get trump
Maybe you should argue for a different method of voting instead, then. Liberal lesser evil didnt give us the orange diaper dumpster, the two party system based on money and gerrymandering is what did it.
Compulsory voting + Ranked choice. Are you for something like that, or are you against it? It would be a great thing to continue promoting, and its much less hateful and directly confrontational.
Id love to debate but it would just be about logical fallacies that arent really related to your intent, as your intent is expressed well.
Any new method of voting has to be put in place by people we elect. We won’t meet the prerequisites without non-evil candidates, and it’s clear that you don’t want anyone to say anything less than worshipful about the ones we have.
We did not try “not evil.”
Centrists put forward a genocidal candidate without asking the voters.
Ahh you’re one of the reasons why more genocides are happening, now, caused by someone we definitely cant get to stop through protest. Remember, you voted for this.
Great foresight.
As for “not evil”, I want to know who has been “not evil” by your definition.
I should start keeping tally of how many times disagreeing with the genocidal leads them to believe that I voted how they don’t want.
I voted for harris. You want me to shut up and love genocide and nothing else.
Lol.
Care to elaborate?
Actually, don’t bother. THERE IS NO VIABLE THIRD PARTY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Why?
Because no 3rd party is even putting in the effort.
Voters aren’t taking any 3rd party seriously by voting for them in local/state elections to get more than ZERO of them in Congress.
So your idea of voting for not evil is throwing in your vote behind some irrelevant 3rd party that is probably also corrupt (Jill Stein) and standing absolutely, positively no chance of winning so we end up getting the most evil option.
Crossing your fingers and hoping for magical powers to make a 3rd party viable is not something us adults are interested in. Electing what is undeniably the better party and then reforming that party by primarying the bad actors out is the realistic approach that adults are interested in.
as far as i know, the prohibition party got no congressional seats, but they got a constitutional amendment.
There’s been a not evil candidate in every primary that actually happened recently (historically speaking). The DNC however cannot abide anything that is not evil. They would happily let the world burn to stop it getting any amount better.
Centrists act like they see even the mildest criticism of their worst actions as “both sides are literally identical.”
This is bad faith. The comic says nothing of the sort.
Not equal, but working towards the same goals, serving same billionaire overlord agendas, just in different methods and color
The ratchet is awful, but in this moment it’s still the lesser of 2 evils.
These “both sides” arguments are like saying you refuse to walk across a shitty floor because you want to keep your shoes clean when the alternative is being fully immersed in sewage with your mouth open.
Meanwhile you’re still refusing to fix the pipes because the floor is clean.
You guys did this shit with Biden. And here we are.
We have literal, actual fascism here. Let’s not let perfect be the enemy of “Not a Nazi”
Stop acting like anyone who wants better than “second worst genocide supporter” wants perfection.
You could also pay attention to democrats consistently fixing the economy that republicans leave us with, but pretending theyre the same is totally true. Rocks and turtles are both hard and definitely alive, they must be the same.
Yes, and allowing yourself to be played in that context is how we end up in a world where “the lesser evil” is “committing a holocaust but at least pretending to be sorry about it”
I won’t sign my name to endorse any evil. I don’t care if your less evil party loses as a result. Run a not-evil candidate, or lose again. I truly don’t care.
Then you will have Donald Trump, his inevitable clones, and the GOP as your leaders for the remainder of your life, as the quality of your life plummets.
Grow up, kid. Do the intelligent thing. Elect the lesser of two evils, which is a whole hell of a lot less evil than what we’re currently seeing, because no other option is viable, then work to primary the bad actors out.
The sentiment of a child.
Three things. One, you’re literally defending the bad actors. Two, people are doing that. Three, every time non-bad actors try to primary bad actors, the DNC ratfucks them at every turn. The only reason the good actors are winning so much right now is DESPITE your party’s consistent attempt to prevent meaningful change.
You are responsible for Donald Trump. You elected weak and ineffective leaders and defended them at every turn. He removed America’s mask. What you’re suffering through is peanuts compared to what America has done for 80 years. It’s the least you deserve.
You’re gonna live to see the DNC colonized by progressives and there is nothing you can do about it.
Lesser evil does not exist, only evil. A small amount of acceptable evil allows an incrementally larger evil the next time. Compounded over 50 years we have our current political climate.
That’s still not a reason to refuse to vote against the GOP. Why should we accept the worst of the worst immediately when they can be delayed?
It’s like saying that since medicine won’t make you immortal you should just eat a bullet now and be done with it.
How much time do you want for your progress? Liberals have been making that same demand for decades, your party will constantly provide you with things to vote against in order to keep the oligarchy, which includes them, in power.
So, eat the bullet?
I get that things are bad, but harm reduction is better than just bitching about the Dems.
Demanding harm reduction instead of listening to the voters lost you the election. Do better or keep losing.
There literally is no method to vote against a party.
You’re saying people should vote for the Democrats.
Hey, it’s the dipshit that gets downvoted on his own sub which he is the sole moderator of because he posts the dumbest comments imaginable and who bans anyone who voices a different opinion than himself because he so desperately needs his safe space to feel powerful.
You aren’t the mod of this sub, you coward fuck.
Presenting the poster child of why leftists say scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
The only ones that get banned are ones that can’t read rules and are toxic to the community, you fit both requirements