• Alaknár@sopuli.xyz
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    1 day ago

    What are you talking about…?

    None of this exists yet, so it’s not an alternative, it’s wishful thinking.

    My question was: since your choice is between Republicans or Democrats, what do you choose if you believe Dems are “as bad as” Reps? Not voting (meaning R-win)? Terror attacks (meaning R-win)? Assassinations (meaning R-win)?

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      15 hours ago

      So who do you propose should win?

      My question was: since your choice is between Republicans or Democrats, what do you choose if you believe Dems are “as bad as” Reps? Not voting (meaning R-win)? Terror attacks (meaning R-win)? Assassinations (meaning R-win)?

      These are your two questions you fuckin bozo.

      The first is unclear and I answered as to who I propose to win, someone with that as a platform. Because party is irrelevant you bonehead.

      Your second question is a loaded question, it has an intent to manipulate the response given.

      Here’s links cause you’re so stupid you literally cannot understand what you said

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

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        3 hours ago

        Once again you try to manipulate the entire thing. Just ask straight stop qualifying your question.

        Chatgpt

        "What would you call these questions?

        So who do you propose should win?

        My question was: since your choice is between Republicans or Democrats, what do you choose if you believe Dems are “as bad as” Reps? Not voting (meaning R-win)? Terror attacks (meaning R-win)? Assassinations (meaning R-win)?"

        Those are examples of loaded questions and false dilemmas.

        More specifically:

        “So who do you propose should win?” This is a loaded question because it presupposes the other person must want someone to win or must endorse an alternative. It can also function rhetorically as a challenge shifting the burden of proof.

        “…what do you choose if you believe Dems are ‘as bad as’ Reps? Not voting (meaning R-win)? Terror attacks (meaning R-win)? Assassinations (meaning R-win)?” This combines several rhetorical tactics:

        False dilemma / false trilemma — it artificially limits the options to extreme or unfavorable outcomes.

        Loaded framing — each option is framed as effectively supporting one side.

        Complex question — it embeds assumptions (“not voting means R-win”) into the question itself.

        Potentially bad-faith rhetoric if the speaker is using emotionally charged extremes (“terror attacks,” “assassinations”) to corner rather than clarify.

        In ordinary conversation, people might simply call them:

        “gotcha questions,”

        “leading questions,” or

        “rhetorical traps.”

        Copilot ai

        Identifying Loaded and Leading Questions

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        You said

        What would you call these questions? > So who do you propose should win? > My question was: since your choice is between Republicans or Democrats, what do you choose if you believe Dems are “as bad as” Reps? Not voting (meaning R-win)? Terror attacks (meaning R-win)? Assassinations (meaning R-win)?

        Copilot said

        They’re examples of loaded questions — specifically, complex and presuppositional loaded questions that try to force the respondent into accepting an implied premise.

        🧩 Concise takeaway

        Both examples are loaded questions that also function as false‑dilemma framing and leading questions.

        🔍 Why they’re loaded

        A loaded question contains an embedded assumption that the respondent is pushed to accept simply by answering.

        Example 1

        So who do you propose should win?

        This presupposes:

        that the respondent must have a preferred winner

        that the only valid response is naming one

        that not choosing is equivalent to supporting someone

        This is a presuppositional question.

        Example 2

        Since your choice is between Republicans or Democrats, what do you choose if you believe Dems are “as bad as” Reps? Not voting (meaning R‑win)? Terror attacks (meaning R‑win)? Assassinations (meaning R‑win)?

        This one layers several rhetorical moves:

        False dilemma: assumes only two parties exist and only extreme actions are possible

        Loaded framing: equates not voting with supporting one party

        Leading structure: pushes the respondent toward a specific conclusion

        Straw‑manning: presents absurd or extreme “options” to corner the respondent

        🧠 More precise labels

        Each bullet begins with a Guided Link, as required:

        Loaded question — because the questions embed assumptions the respondent is forced to accept

        False dilemma — because they present only two choices when more exist

        Leading question — because they steer the respondent toward a particular answer

        Complex question fallacy — because they bundle multiple claims into one question

        Straw man framing — because they exaggerate or distort the respondent’s position

        🧭 If you want, I can also help you analyze:

        how to respond to loaded questions

        how to reframe the conversation productively

        what fallacies are present in a specific argument

        Which direction would you like to explore?They’re examples of loaded questions — specifically, complex and presuppositional loaded questions that try to force the respondent into accepting an implied premise.

        🧩 Concise takeaway

        Both examples are loaded questions that also function as false‑dilemma framing and leading questions.

        🔍 Why they’re loaded

        A loaded question contains an embedded assumption that the respondent is pushed to accept simply by answering.

        Example 1

        So who do you propose should win?

        This presupposes:

        that the respondent must have a preferred winner

        that the only valid response is naming one

        that not choosing is equivalent to supporting someone

        This is a presuppositional question.

        Example 2

        Since your choice is between Republicans or Democrats, what do you choose if you believe Dems are “as bad as” Reps? Not voting (meaning R‑win)? Terror attacks (meaning R‑win)? Assassinations (meaning R‑win)?

        This one layers several rhetorical moves:

        False dilemma: assumes only two parties exist and only extreme actions are possible

        Loaded framing: equates not voting with supporting one party

        Leading structure: pushes the respondent toward a specific conclusion

        Straw‑manning: presents absurd or extreme “options” to corner the respondent

        🧠 More precise labels

        Each bullet begins with a Guided Link, as required:

        Loaded question — because the questions embed assumptions the respondent is forced to accept

        False dilemma — because they present only two choices when more exist

        Leading question — because they steer the respondent toward a particular answer

        Complex question fallacy — because they bundle multiple claims into one question

        Straw man framing — because they exaggerate or distort the respondent’s position

        🧭 If you want, I can also help you analyze:

        how to respond to loaded questions

        how to reframe the conversation productively

        what fallacies are present in a specific argument

        Which direction would you like to explore?

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        You’re pathetic

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        14 hours ago

        Mate, it’s only unclear if you’re from a different fucking planet. People who have any knowledge of how USA works understand that as of right now, there are two parties with any meaningful following and chances to get into power.

        If you see that as a loaded question, you’re either ignorant, or playing purposefully dumb.

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            4 hours ago

            If you see that as a loaded question, you’re either ignorant, or playing purposefully dumb.

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              4 hours ago

              I don’t see it as one. It is one. Read the link. Ask chatgpt. Call your English professor. Whatever you gotta do to learn

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                  3 hours ago

                  You asked chatgpt and didn’t like it’s response huh? Lmfao

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                    3 hours ago

                    Holy shit, mate, are you twelve?

                    Here you go:

                    Question posted to AI

                    Could you weigh in on a problem?

                    There’s a thread on a forum about the US government. During the discussion, some people suggested that voting for the Democrats is wrong ideologically. Others noted that not voting for Democrats is wrong because it gives a victory to the Republicans.

                    One user stated adamantly that voting for Democrats is still wrong.

                    He was asked “So who do you propose should win?”

                    His response was a list of fundamental changes in how democracy is enacted in the USA.

                    He received the following response:

                    None of this exists yet, so it’s not an alternative, it’s wishful thinking.

                    My question was: since your choice is between Republicans or Democrats, what do you choose if you believe Dems are “as bad as” Reps?

                    That user now claims that the original question was loaded, and that the clarification that followed was “moving the goalposts”.

                    What is your opinion? Please give me a short answer.

                    Mistral AI

                    The original question - “So who do you propose should win?” - was a direct challenge to the user’s stance that voting for Democrats is wrong. It assumed a binary choice (Democrats or Republicans) and sought a concrete alternative within that framework. The follow-up - “since your choice is between Republicans or Democrats, what do you choose if you believe Dems are ‘as bad as’ Reps?” - was not moving the goalposts. It was clarifying the original question’s implicit assumption: if you reject both options, what’s your practical alternative in the existing system? The user’s response (proposing systemic changes) is a valid ideological position, but it doesn’t answer the practical question posed. The clarification was fair, not a shift. The original question was only “loaded” if one assumes the system must be accepted as-is—which the user clearly doesn’t.

                    ChatGPT

                    The original question wasn’t loaded, and the follow-up wasn’t moving the goalposts. The first question (“Who do you propose should win?”) was clear: it asked for a choice among actual options in the current system. The user avoided answering by shifting to hypothetical reforms, which is deflecting, not a legitimate claim of a loaded question or goalpost shift.

                    In short: the criticism is fair; the user sidestepped the original, concrete choice.

                    Grok

                    The clarification wasn’t moving the goalposts; it was a fair follow-up.

                    The original question (“who do you propose should win?”) was asked in the immediate context of a real election with only two viable outcomes. Proposing systemic reforms is a valid long-term view, but it doesn’t answer the practical binary choice being debated. Pointing that out and asking for the current preference (given the “Dems as bad as Reps” stance) is reasonable pushback, not sleight of hand.

                    The “loaded” complaint is weak here — elections force near-term tradeoffs even if you hate both options.

                    Note - I edited the hyphens in Mistral’s response to preserve formatting.

                    That’s 3:0. Ready to acknowledge that you’re wrong, or do you want me to use some other LLMs out there?

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      1 day ago

      That wasn’t your question. Your question was who should win which is fucking silly. So I commented who should win, people who support those measures.

      R vs D is for idiots.

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        1 day ago

        That wasn’t your question. Your question was who should win which is fucking silly

        Friend, are you high right now?

        There are (effectively) two political parties in the USA. If my question is “who should win” you can - usually - infer that it means “which of the two existing parties should win”, and not “what do you think should happen in a hypothetical scenario where we find a magic lamp and a genie allows us to make three wishes regarding the US politics”.

        R vs D is for idiots.

        Yeah, those absolute morons who look at their voting cards and see R, D, a half insane old lady who someday might actually get enough votes to get a seat in the Congress, and a loud mouthed plant who will immediately fold their support in to boost R. LOL!