• deft@lemmy.wtf
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    15 hours ago

    So who do you propose should win?

    My question was: since your choice is between Republicans or Democrats, what do you choose if you believe Dems are “as bad as” Reps? Not voting (meaning R-win)? Terror attacks (meaning R-win)? Assassinations (meaning R-win)?

    These are your two questions you fuckin bozo.

    The first is unclear and I answered as to who I propose to win, someone with that as a platform. Because party is irrelevant you bonehead.

    Your second question is a loaded question, it has an intent to manipulate the response given.

    Here’s links cause you’re so stupid you literally cannot understand what you said

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

    • deft@lemmy.wtf
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      3 hours ago

      Once again you try to manipulate the entire thing. Just ask straight stop qualifying your question.

      Chatgpt

      "What would you call these questions?

      So who do you propose should win?

      My question was: since your choice is between Republicans or Democrats, what do you choose if you believe Dems are “as bad as” Reps? Not voting (meaning R-win)? Terror attacks (meaning R-win)? Assassinations (meaning R-win)?"

      Those are examples of loaded questions and false dilemmas.

      More specifically:

      “So who do you propose should win?” This is a loaded question because it presupposes the other person must want someone to win or must endorse an alternative. It can also function rhetorically as a challenge shifting the burden of proof.

      “…what do you choose if you believe Dems are ‘as bad as’ Reps? Not voting (meaning R-win)? Terror attacks (meaning R-win)? Assassinations (meaning R-win)?” This combines several rhetorical tactics:

      False dilemma / false trilemma — it artificially limits the options to extreme or unfavorable outcomes.

      Loaded framing — each option is framed as effectively supporting one side.

      Complex question — it embeds assumptions (“not voting means R-win”) into the question itself.

      Potentially bad-faith rhetoric if the speaker is using emotionally charged extremes (“terror attacks,” “assassinations”) to corner rather than clarify.

      In ordinary conversation, people might simply call them:

      “gotcha questions,”

      “leading questions,” or

      “rhetorical traps.”

      Copilot ai

      Identifying Loaded and Leading Questions

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      You said

      What would you call these questions? > So who do you propose should win? > My question was: since your choice is between Republicans or Democrats, what do you choose if you believe Dems are “as bad as” Reps? Not voting (meaning R-win)? Terror attacks (meaning R-win)? Assassinations (meaning R-win)?

      Copilot said

      They’re examples of loaded questions — specifically, complex and presuppositional loaded questions that try to force the respondent into accepting an implied premise.

      🧩 Concise takeaway

      Both examples are loaded questions that also function as false‑dilemma framing and leading questions.

      🔍 Why they’re loaded

      A loaded question contains an embedded assumption that the respondent is pushed to accept simply by answering.

      Example 1

      So who do you propose should win?

      This presupposes:

      that the respondent must have a preferred winner

      that the only valid response is naming one

      that not choosing is equivalent to supporting someone

      This is a presuppositional question.

      Example 2

      Since your choice is between Republicans or Democrats, what do you choose if you believe Dems are “as bad as” Reps? Not voting (meaning R‑win)? Terror attacks (meaning R‑win)? Assassinations (meaning R‑win)?

      This one layers several rhetorical moves:

      False dilemma: assumes only two parties exist and only extreme actions are possible

      Loaded framing: equates not voting with supporting one party

      Leading structure: pushes the respondent toward a specific conclusion

      Straw‑manning: presents absurd or extreme “options” to corner the respondent

      🧠 More precise labels

      Each bullet begins with a Guided Link, as required:

      Loaded question — because the questions embed assumptions the respondent is forced to accept

      False dilemma — because they present only two choices when more exist

      Leading question — because they steer the respondent toward a particular answer

      Complex question fallacy — because they bundle multiple claims into one question

      Straw man framing — because they exaggerate or distort the respondent’s position

      🧭 If you want, I can also help you analyze:

      how to respond to loaded questions

      how to reframe the conversation productively

      what fallacies are present in a specific argument

      Which direction would you like to explore?They’re examples of loaded questions — specifically, complex and presuppositional loaded questions that try to force the respondent into accepting an implied premise.

      🧩 Concise takeaway

      Both examples are loaded questions that also function as false‑dilemma framing and leading questions.

      🔍 Why they’re loaded

      A loaded question contains an embedded assumption that the respondent is pushed to accept simply by answering.

      Example 1

      So who do you propose should win?

      This presupposes:

      that the respondent must have a preferred winner

      that the only valid response is naming one

      that not choosing is equivalent to supporting someone

      This is a presuppositional question.

      Example 2

      Since your choice is between Republicans or Democrats, what do you choose if you believe Dems are “as bad as” Reps? Not voting (meaning R‑win)? Terror attacks (meaning R‑win)? Assassinations (meaning R‑win)?

      This one layers several rhetorical moves:

      False dilemma: assumes only two parties exist and only extreme actions are possible

      Loaded framing: equates not voting with supporting one party

      Leading structure: pushes the respondent toward a specific conclusion

      Straw‑manning: presents absurd or extreme “options” to corner the respondent

      🧠 More precise labels

      Each bullet begins with a Guided Link, as required:

      Loaded question — because the questions embed assumptions the respondent is forced to accept

      False dilemma — because they present only two choices when more exist

      Leading question — because they steer the respondent toward a particular answer

      Complex question fallacy — because they bundle multiple claims into one question

      Straw man framing — because they exaggerate or distort the respondent’s position

      🧭 If you want, I can also help you analyze:

      how to respond to loaded questions

      how to reframe the conversation productively

      what fallacies are present in a specific argument

      Which direction would you like to explore?

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      You’re pathetic

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      14 hours ago

      Mate, it’s only unclear if you’re from a different fucking planet. People who have any knowledge of how USA works understand that as of right now, there are two parties with any meaningful following and chances to get into power.

      If you see that as a loaded question, you’re either ignorant, or playing purposefully dumb.

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          4 hours ago

          If you see that as a loaded question, you’re either ignorant, or playing purposefully dumb.

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            4 hours ago

            I don’t see it as one. It is one. Read the link. Ask chatgpt. Call your English professor. Whatever you gotta do to learn

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                3 hours ago

                You asked chatgpt and didn’t like it’s response huh? Lmfao

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                  3 hours ago

                  Holy shit, mate, are you twelve?

                  Here you go:

                  Question posted to AI

                  Could you weigh in on a problem?

                  There’s a thread on a forum about the US government. During the discussion, some people suggested that voting for the Democrats is wrong ideologically. Others noted that not voting for Democrats is wrong because it gives a victory to the Republicans.

                  One user stated adamantly that voting for Democrats is still wrong.

                  He was asked “So who do you propose should win?”

                  His response was a list of fundamental changes in how democracy is enacted in the USA.

                  He received the following response:

                  None of this exists yet, so it’s not an alternative, it’s wishful thinking.

                  My question was: since your choice is between Republicans or Democrats, what do you choose if you believe Dems are “as bad as” Reps?

                  That user now claims that the original question was loaded, and that the clarification that followed was “moving the goalposts”.

                  What is your opinion? Please give me a short answer.

                  Mistral AI

                  The original question - “So who do you propose should win?” - was a direct challenge to the user’s stance that voting for Democrats is wrong. It assumed a binary choice (Democrats or Republicans) and sought a concrete alternative within that framework. The follow-up - “since your choice is between Republicans or Democrats, what do you choose if you believe Dems are ‘as bad as’ Reps?” - was not moving the goalposts. It was clarifying the original question’s implicit assumption: if you reject both options, what’s your practical alternative in the existing system? The user’s response (proposing systemic changes) is a valid ideological position, but it doesn’t answer the practical question posed. The clarification was fair, not a shift. The original question was only “loaded” if one assumes the system must be accepted as-is—which the user clearly doesn’t.

                  ChatGPT

                  The original question wasn’t loaded, and the follow-up wasn’t moving the goalposts. The first question (“Who do you propose should win?”) was clear: it asked for a choice among actual options in the current system. The user avoided answering by shifting to hypothetical reforms, which is deflecting, not a legitimate claim of a loaded question or goalpost shift.

                  In short: the criticism is fair; the user sidestepped the original, concrete choice.

                  Grok

                  The clarification wasn’t moving the goalposts; it was a fair follow-up.

                  The original question (“who do you propose should win?”) was asked in the immediate context of a real election with only two viable outcomes. Proposing systemic reforms is a valid long-term view, but it doesn’t answer the practical binary choice being debated. Pointing that out and asking for the current preference (given the “Dems as bad as Reps” stance) is reasonable pushback, not sleight of hand.

                  The “loaded” complaint is weak here — elections force near-term tradeoffs even if you hate both options.

                  Note - I edited the hyphens in Mistral’s response to preserve formatting.

                  That’s 3:0. Ready to acknowledge that you’re wrong, or do you want me to use some other LLMs out there?