Every single person you berate for “not voting for imperfect candidates” already fucking does it. You’re bashing people on your own team for the purpose of punching left. But every time we try to push on the fucking PRIMARY for a candidate that isn’t complete dogshit, you fucks sabotage them at every turn, and then act surprised when you lose because you forced the bad unimpressive corporate candidate forth due to “electability” and red scare bullshit.
Progressives as a collective are not marxist-leninists. Stop treating us like we are. MLs spend 16 hours a day being loud in the internet, most of us actual progressives have actual lives and organize IRL instead of wanking over Marx and telling Ukranian children they’re Nazis on social media.
No, they don’t already do that, because turnout is dogshit, if everyone did that we wouldn’t have that problem.
Please criticize the fuck out of the candidates and policies, they fucking suck and they need to know we want progressives not the crap they are parading around, but this meme isn’t doing that, it’s just sending the message that it’s pointless to try, it feels like right wing created content to keep people from bothering to vote at all, and when you look at the numbers, that’s exactly what’s happening.
As a criticism of the DNC, the meme’s pretty close to the truth, even if it does inspire apathy – like Lucy yanking the football away every time, it’s the DNC who sabotage nominees who intend to implement effective change of the system.
But since there’s no other viable ball to kick, the electorate need to kick anyway – and spend the rest of the time organizing on a national level and engaging politically on a local level to shitcan Lucy. (This metaphor isn’t especially extensible!)
No, they don’t already do that, because turnout is dogshit, if everyone did that we wouldn’t have that problem.
This is a comforting lie educated liberals tell themselves. The truth is that today, the Democratic party represents voters who vote more reliably, while the Republicans represent more disengaged infrequent voters. This changed over the last decade or so, but people haven’t gotten the memo. It used to be that Republicans did better in low-turnout elections. But now the opposite is true. Republicans now thrive on low-information, low-engagement voters - the exact type of voters that would vote more in your scenario of everyone turning out. If everyone had voted in 2024, Trump would have won by an even larger margin.
This makes sense if you think about it. Today, Democrats’ real only message is, “vote strategically, we aren’t Republicans.” They offer very little of actual substance beyond not being Trump. Low-engagement voters aren’t going to care about your message of not being Trump. They don’t have the same loyalties regular voters do. And they’re not going to educate themselves on things like Project 2025.
Trump won low-engagement voters because he had simple direct messages that could reach them. Trump was going to put money in your pocket and clamp down on crime. That was his message. That was what he offered. Harris offered “I’m not Trump.” To a well-educated liberal, not being Trump is enough, as you pay attention to politics and know exactly what kind of evil shit Trump has gotten up to. But “I’m not Trump” doesn’t work for the low-engagement voters vital to win an election.
American reading comprehension being under a 6th grade level doing the heavy lifting here, huh? The context of the original comic is Lucy yanking the ball away before Charlie has the chance to kick it. The lesson is that Charlie shouldn’t stop trying to kick the ball, it’s that Lucy should stop being an asshole by taking it. This is not trying to lower turnout for the DNC, this is trying to sarcastically say this manipulative shit doesn’t work and doesn’t increase turnout. It’s doing the fucking opposite of what you’re saying.
Plenty of candidates have won despite a multitude of criticism towards them. If your candidate can’t beat anyone because of those criticisms, then they were a weak candidate anyways.
Did you see this post? Its not about voting in primaries. It’s about not participating because the ball is going to be pulled out in front of you. Yes, vote in primaries. Also, vote in the general for the best candidate.
You say everyone already votes in the general, but that’s blatantly not true. There’s an especially rampant trolling effort to get people not to vote who would vote against Republicans. It’s strategic apathy. It happened last time, and it’s happening now. If you don’t see this, you’re blind.
Really showing off that American education, “instead of voting for the less genocidal platform I’ll enable the much more genocidal platform because I don’t understand civics or harm reduction!”
And a grade school understanding of civics should inform you that not voting is a vote for republicans, so you still made a choice and that choice was directly for everything that’s currently happening. Principles aren’t really relevant when the results are obvious.
If you vote for Democrats in general elections, they’re not talking about you. There are a lot of dumbasses on the left who don’t vote, or throw their votes away on hopeless third parties.
One of me? I’m pretty sure I’m the only one of me. And in response to your comment that I replied to you, you specifically said this wasn’t about those of us who do vote, so that comment has nothing to do with me at all.
So again, you said “if you vote, I’m not taking about you.” I said, “except when we criticize democrats you tell us we don’t want people to vote.” Then you lumped me in with people who don’t vote.
Is thinking really this hard for you? The “we” I’m referring to are the ones of us who vote and also are fed up with the way the DNC runs the party. This is just…not confusing. How are you this perplexed? Do you need a nap? You seem to be getting really emotional.
Tone policing is certainly one way to indicate that you cannot address what I said. Concession accepted. You’ve never criticized the genocide wing, so you’ve never encountered the behavior of the genocide wing toward its critics.
The genocide wing blames everyone to the left of netanyahu for his pet’s loss, regardless of how they voted.
Those people are not numerous enough to matter. They’re mostly internet MLs who spend 16 hours a day yapping on social media so they look like the common consensus.
Ahh yes blame the people who believe in democracy enough to vote their conscience, the smallest percentage of people. And not the cheaters.
Definitely not the bomb threats, the thrown out voter rolls, the mail-in ballots in ditches, the constant redistricting. It’s the tiniest percentage of people who have all the power.
Nevermind the Michigan Data, or the Pennsylvania Data. Or the 30%-40% that sit the fuck out every national election. No it’s that tiny percent.
For the record I voted Harris because I do believe in harm reduction over absolutism, but it’s fucking stupid to blame the third party voters that happen to actually believe in democracy and that you should vote for who you want, not who can win.
Frankly if we as a nation would had voted for a third party or independent candidate sooner, it’s quite possible the either Major Party would have died like the Whigs when the Republican Party came onto the scene.
Just think about it critically instead of continuing that stupid ass dogma that got us here in the first place.
You can see how refusing to distance herself from genocide left an opening that spoiler candidates could exploit, can’t you?
And since you and a bunch of other dopey centrists are gonna imagine that this is somehow an admission of a vote for stein if I don’t say this: I voted for harris.
The people shouting the loudest about Gaza historically don’t fucking vote, ever. So why would anyone assume catering to them would amount to anything when they already don’t vote? It’s not complicated and her position on Palestine likely didn’t have significant effect on the outcome because anyone that actually votes knew well the republicans would embolden netanyahu. And good that you voted for Harris, now please stop trying to convince people not to vote because that gets republicans elected and republicans are worse because they’re unified and they’re all as bad as the worst Dems. It’s not fucking complicated. Like this is literally the only option that isn’t full on violent revolution, societal collapse, or the christofascist technofeudalist dystopia the republicans are ushering in.
I don’t disagree which is why I’ve never voted Stein. The Green Party has never been a serious third party to me, but seems to get brought up as a strawman at every turn when a blueberry wants to avoid their cognitive dissonance.
National elections are so close these days, any of these things could be the but-for difference maker in any given election. Certainly the large number of non-voters you mention (I’m note sure if any of those election fraud claims are consequential).
But, in this thread, we are responding to one particular group that consistently helps Republicans win, because they’re the ones who posted it, and they’re here in the comments to be argued with!
Except it’s never been their fault. Even in the “best” years third party voters make up less than 5% of the electorate. It’s a lie of statistics to not mention the non-voters. You’re telling me that the third party voters are more at fault than politician whose job is to get elected being unable to steal that percentage from the non voters?
No what does happen instead? What did The Democratic Party do not long before the election? Did they appeal to the Non-Voters? Or did they appeal to “moderate” Republicans? Did they go for the larger percentage, or one that was no doubt slim and taken for?
Like doesn’t it seem silly to blame 5 when 30 is such a larger number? Isn’t it dumb to blame people treating democracy like democracy instead of the politicians that won’t meet the electorate where it matters?
Third party voters and non voters both get republicans elected so I don’t concern myself with a distinction. They’re both in the group of people that clearly don’t understand how the government works, or was supposed to before they let republicans ratfuck it.
National elections are so close these days, any of these things could be the but-for difference maker in any given election.
The party should start behaving accordingly, then. Instead they alienate their base by sprinting to the right in an idiotic attempt to get republican votes. Republicans hate you. They are not going to vote for you.
I’ve made my point about you people supposedly not being numerous enough to matter. A few hundred thousand votes is easily enough to matter if the election is close enough. And you never know how close an election will be before it happens.
I’ve made my point about you people supposedly not being numerous enough to matter. A few hundred thousand votes is easily enough to matter if the election is close enough. And you never know how close an election will be before it happens.
So maybe the party should start treating us as though we’re people with agency whose votes they need.
Yeah they’re exactly the same. That must be why you spend all your time shitting on the parties trying to stop the fascist but rarely say anything against the farther right parties. Makes sense
If progressives voted in the primaries in numbers then we’d have progressive candidates, but the average progressive seems to believe that the Dems are just as bad as the republicans because Americans are unfathomably stupid.
Israhell, USrael, Isreal… I don’t have the slightest bit of respect for that shithole of a nazi country so I’ll call it as I see fit, anything but its real name.
I’m getting the impression that you think I care about how others see me when I insult the modern nazis and… You’re wrong. I don’t. I enjoy calling them names of any kind. I don’t think they are more than an evil and dumb caricature of a human being so I’m treating them like such.
Are you upset because I don’t think nazis deserve human treatment? Because that’s what it looks like. And just in case it wasn’t obvious, yes, I do think that nazis (like those zionists from USrael) crossed the line that separates them from human beings a while ago. If that bothers you, I strongly recommend you to block me, because I strongly believe that the only good nazi is a dead nazi.
You don’t insult the " Nazis", you just insult yourself in a very childish way. And all the Hate that spills out of your Keyboard isn’t get less, while you just trying to find another creative way to make funny names. Try to be mature.
I mean, by absolute numbers, the genocide under Trump is actually less destructive than the genocide under Biden. Trump is more cruel and crass about it. But the cold hard inescapable truth is that far more Gazans died under Biden than will die under Trump. Trump has active malice about Palestinians, Biden simply didn’t even consider them human and worthy of any consideration whatsoever.
As far as prices, again, inflation is lower under Trump that it was under Biden.
I hate Trump’s guts, but you’re describing things that Biden objectively performed worse than Trump on. You’re falling for the assumption that Trump is automatically worse at Biden than everything.
The most intensive bombing and fighting was during Biden’s term. That’s when most of the deaths happened. But, people will reflexively downvote the truth. All they know is that Trump=bad. Therefore, it’s impossible for any Democrat to ever be as bad or worse than him on anything. Blue MAGA at work.
Again, the death rate in Gaza has been like 65k since May of 2025. While I’ve heard from credible sources that deaths in Gaza alone are like 300k now. So you’re only basing your judgment on what was reported, while the journalist were doing it were still alive.
Stupid people are everywhere but you’re still repeating propaganda intended to benefit republicans. It also creates a false equivalency between republican and democratic platforms which is wildly disingenuous to anyone who isn’t stupid. It’s another attempt at both sides. Only stupid people fall for that shit.
“Both sides are the same” is a thought terminating cliche, both ways that it’s used. You noted one use of it, but you’re actually using that cliche yourself in a different way.
“Stop arguing both sides are the same!” is often used to deflect criticism of the Democratic party, even when the commentor never even claims parties are the same. There is nothing wrong with pointing out when Democrats commit some of the same sins as Republicans. That doesn’t mean the speaker is arguing that both parties are the same.
In other words, stop pretending that criticism against Democrats is the same thing as arguing both parties are the same.
Remember, this thinking is what cost us 2024. Kamala was out there talking up the official inflation rate, arguing that inflation was fixed. They ignored people’s actual lived experiences and ignored any dicussion of how that inflation rate is calculated. I remember being shouted down by folks like you on reddit. They dismissed any criticism of Democrats as Russian or Republican propaganda. They believed they had to manifest a political victory - if they stuck their fingers in the ears and shouted long enough, then Kamala would surely win.
In the end, this Blue MAGA impulse cost us the election. Liberals have this toxic positivity “speak no evil” vibe, and it prevents them from making pivots necessary to win elections.
Look at Gaza. They literally ordered their campaign workers to not collect data on any opinions on the conflict. They actively tuned themselves out from criticism, thinking they could vibe their way to victory. They actively chose to ignore the voters. And voters slaughtered them for their hubris.
That is the sin of Blue MAGA. Toxic positivity. Denial of reality. Dismissal of any critique as a Republican or Russian psy op.
“We”? Who’s we? Nintendo Wii? Or are you speaking French right now?
Most progressives did vote for Kamala, you clown. Criticizing and objecting and calling out a candidate’s bad policies does not mean they won’t vote for them if it comes down to it. You liberals are the most fragile wallflowers in the planet, there’s a reason people call you blue MAGA. You can’t fathom someone criticizing a person and still voting for them. It doesn’t compute in your fucking brain, you see any criticism as a sin and a sign that person will not vote, vote third party, or vote for the republican.
Newsflash, the world doesn’t work like that, you giant toddler in the body of a 30+ year old.
Well, for starters, don’t go calling “clown” someone you don’t even know based on a single sentence (let alone any of the other names you called me, but I digress…). The people I was referring to were not those who voted for Kamala and criticize what she does. But those who didn’t vote for her (roughly a 30% of the voting population) because “both sides”.
You call me “liberal” when you don’t even know if I’m from your continent (spoilers: I’m not) and don’t know what do I vote in my continent and my country (even more spoilers, I tend to vote the parties furthest in the left spectrum).
Then you call me “blue MAGA” (again, I’m not American, and I mean it as inhabitant of the whole continent) and a “fragile wallflower”? Mate, I’m autistic, if I were a “fragile wallflower” I would have already committed suicide for the amount of bullying I’ve suffered.
Not only I CAN fathom someone criticizing a person and still voting for them, I DO IT EVERY SINGLE TIME I FUCKING VOTE because I believe we should held politicians accountable.
The rest is not even worth of commenting because you just go saying senseless stuff.
The Lucy pulling the football thing has always been about the fact that Lucy is an asshole that Charlie Brown should not trust, and that Charlie Brown should stop trying to kick the football.
Not doing nothing! Rising up and overthrowing capitalism. How, you ask? You know, rising up! What practical plan is there for afterwards? Plenty of time to figure that out later!
Ah yes, the solution to bad people in power is to not even bother trying to vote for change, doing nothing will totally solve this problem.
Every single person you berate for “not voting for imperfect candidates” already fucking does it. You’re bashing people on your own team for the purpose of punching left. But every time we try to push on the fucking PRIMARY for a candidate that isn’t complete dogshit, you fucks sabotage them at every turn, and then act surprised when you lose because you forced the bad unimpressive corporate candidate forth due to “electability” and red scare bullshit.
Progressives as a collective are not marxist-leninists. Stop treating us like we are. MLs spend 16 hours a day being loud in the internet, most of us actual progressives have actual lives and organize IRL instead of wanking over Marx and telling Ukranian children they’re Nazis on social media.
No, they don’t already do that, because turnout is dogshit, if everyone did that we wouldn’t have that problem.
Please criticize the fuck out of the candidates and policies, they fucking suck and they need to know we want progressives not the crap they are parading around, but this meme isn’t doing that, it’s just sending the message that it’s pointless to try, it feels like right wing created content to keep people from bothering to vote at all, and when you look at the numbers, that’s exactly what’s happening.
All criticism is welcome except any particular criticism.
No, the party sends that message. The meme just details the mechanism by which they send it.
As a criticism of the DNC, the meme’s pretty close to the truth, even if it does inspire apathy – like Lucy yanking the football away every time, it’s the DNC who sabotage nominees who intend to implement effective change of the system.
But since there’s no other viable ball to kick, the electorate need to kick anyway – and spend the rest of the time organizing on a national level and engaging politically on a local level to shitcan Lucy. (This metaphor isn’t especially extensible!)
The meme doesn’t inspire apathy. The party’s behavior does.
This is a comforting lie educated liberals tell themselves. The truth is that today, the Democratic party represents voters who vote more reliably, while the Republicans represent more disengaged infrequent voters. This changed over the last decade or so, but people haven’t gotten the memo. It used to be that Republicans did better in low-turnout elections. But now the opposite is true. Republicans now thrive on low-information, low-engagement voters - the exact type of voters that would vote more in your scenario of everyone turning out. If everyone had voted in 2024, Trump would have won by an even larger margin.
This makes sense if you think about it. Today, Democrats’ real only message is, “vote strategically, we aren’t Republicans.” They offer very little of actual substance beyond not being Trump. Low-engagement voters aren’t going to care about your message of not being Trump. They don’t have the same loyalties regular voters do. And they’re not going to educate themselves on things like Project 2025.
Trump won low-engagement voters because he had simple direct messages that could reach them. Trump was going to put money in your pocket and clamp down on crime. That was his message. That was what he offered. Harris offered “I’m not Trump.” To a well-educated liberal, not being Trump is enough, as you pay attention to politics and know exactly what kind of evil shit Trump has gotten up to. But “I’m not Trump” doesn’t work for the low-engagement voters vital to win an election.
American reading comprehension being under a 6th grade level doing the heavy lifting here, huh? The context of the original comic is Lucy yanking the ball away before Charlie has the chance to kick it. The lesson is that Charlie shouldn’t stop trying to kick the ball, it’s that Lucy should stop being an asshole by taking it. This is not trying to lower turnout for the DNC, this is trying to sarcastically say this manipulative shit doesn’t work and doesn’t increase turnout. It’s doing the fucking opposite of what you’re saying.
Plenty of candidates have won despite a multitude of criticism towards them. If your candidate can’t beat anyone because of those criticisms, then they were a weak candidate anyways.
Also it’s important to realize that Charlie Brown is a good-natured sucker being taken advantage of by a manipulative person.
Eventually even the most gullible suckers give up.
You’re spot on and these downvotes are EXACTLY why things are the way they are.
Did you see this post? Its not about voting in primaries. It’s about not participating because the ball is going to be pulled out in front of you. Yes, vote in primaries. Also, vote in the general for the best candidate.
You say everyone already votes in the general, but that’s blatantly not true. There’s an especially rampant trolling effort to get people not to vote who would vote against Republicans. It’s strategic apathy. It happened last time, and it’s happening now. If you don’t see this, you’re blind.
@Cethin @SalamenceFury
The Democratic party’s support for genocide makes it really hard to tell where the legitimate criticism ends and the trolling begins.
And that’s nobody’s fault but theirs.
Really showing off that American education, “instead of voting for the less genocidal platform I’ll enable the much more genocidal platform because I don’t understand civics or harm reduction!”
@edible_funk
Just saying, when you support genocide, some people will take a stand, and you won’t always like how they do it.
. . . not to mention lying about it, calling opponents of genocide antisemites . . .
I’m sorry if you still can’t see how some people would look at all of that and realize that both sides want them dead.
And a grade school understanding of civics should inform you that not voting is a vote for republicans, so you still made a choice and that choice was directly for everything that’s currently happening. Principles aren’t really relevant when the results are obvious.
@edible_funk
Republicans weren’t committing genocide in 2024 -Democrats were.
Imagine having this poor of an understanding of anything.
If you vote for Democrats in general elections, they’re not talking about you. There are a lot of dumbasses on the left who don’t vote, or throw their votes away on hopeless third parties.
If ya’ll run Gavin Newsom, I’m out.
No joke, Newsom is a BAD candidate, he’s not even pretending to be progressive, he’s your typical neo-liberal corporatist.
What, why, do you hate sick memes!? /s
Except when we criticize the shit the DNC pulls you all show up and say, “oh, you just don’t want people to vote?!?!”
In this post, one of you replied to me:
So the concern isn’t unfounded.
One of me? I’m pretty sure I’m the only one of me. And in response to your comment that I replied to you, you specifically said this wasn’t about those of us who do vote, so that comment has nothing to do with me at all.
Try again, maybe put on your thinking cap.
Did I lump you in with a group to which you do not belong? Heaven forfend!
Who is the “we” you are referring to here?
And who are the “you all”? iM pReTTy ShUr Im ThE OnLy OnE of MEEE!
So again, you said “if you vote, I’m not taking about you.” I said, “except when we criticize democrats you tell us we don’t want people to vote.” Then you lumped me in with people who don’t vote.
Is thinking really this hard for you? The “we” I’m referring to are the ones of us who vote and also are fed up with the way the DNC runs the party. This is just…not confusing. How are you this perplexed? Do you need a nap? You seem to be getting really emotional.
Tell me you’ve never criticized the centrist wing of the party without saying you’ve never criticized the centrist wing of the party.
You need to consciously work on eliminating these Reddit speech patterns from your vocabulary. It’s like nails on a chalkboard.
Tone policing is certainly one way to indicate that you cannot address what I said. Concession accepted. You’ve never criticized the genocide wing, so you’ve never encountered the behavior of the genocide wing toward its critics.
The genocide wing blames everyone to the left of netanyahu for his pet’s loss, regardless of how they voted.
Those people are not numerous enough to matter. They’re mostly internet MLs who spend 16 hours a day yapping on social media so they look like the common consensus.
2016 Election: Stein Votes vs. Trump Margin
Ahh yes blame the people who believe in democracy enough to vote their conscience, the smallest percentage of people. And not the cheaters.
Definitely not the bomb threats, the thrown out voter rolls, the mail-in ballots in ditches, the constant redistricting. It’s the tiniest percentage of people who have all the power.
Nevermind the Michigan Data, or the Pennsylvania Data. Or the 30%-40% that sit the fuck out every national election. No it’s that tiny percent.
For the record I voted Harris because I do believe in harm reduction over absolutism, but it’s fucking stupid to blame the third party voters that happen to actually believe in democracy and that you should vote for who you want, not who can win.
Frankly if we as a nation would had voted for a third party or independent candidate sooner, it’s quite possible the either Major Party would have died like the Whigs when the Republican Party came onto the scene.
Just think about it critically instead of continuing that stupid ass dogma that got us here in the first place.
Stein was a spoiler and a Russian asset, if voting your conscious meant voting for her your conscious is fuckin stupid.
You can see how refusing to distance herself from genocide left an opening that spoiler candidates could exploit, can’t you?
And since you and a bunch of other dopey centrists are gonna imagine that this is somehow an admission of a vote for stein if I don’t say this: I voted for harris.
The people shouting the loudest about Gaza historically don’t fucking vote, ever. So why would anyone assume catering to them would amount to anything when they already don’t vote? It’s not complicated and her position on Palestine likely didn’t have significant effect on the outcome because anyone that actually votes knew well the republicans would embolden netanyahu. And good that you voted for Harris, now please stop trying to convince people not to vote because that gets republicans elected and republicans are worse because they’re unified and they’re all as bad as the worst Dems. It’s not fucking complicated. Like this is literally the only option that isn’t full on violent revolution, societal collapse, or the christofascist technofeudalist dystopia the republicans are ushering in.
I don’t disagree which is why I’ve never voted Stein. The Green Party has never been a serious third party to me, but seems to get brought up as a strawman at every turn when a blueberry wants to avoid their cognitive dissonance.
National elections are so close these days, any of these things could be the but-for difference maker in any given election. Certainly the large number of non-voters you mention (I’m note sure if any of those election fraud claims are consequential).
But, in this thread, we are responding to one particular group that consistently helps Republicans win, because they’re the ones who posted it, and they’re here in the comments to be argued with!
Except it’s never been their fault. Even in the “best” years third party voters make up less than 5% of the electorate. It’s a lie of statistics to not mention the non-voters. You’re telling me that the third party voters are more at fault than politician whose job is to get elected being unable to steal that percentage from the non voters?
No what does happen instead? What did The Democratic Party do not long before the election? Did they appeal to the Non-Voters? Or did they appeal to “moderate” Republicans? Did they go for the larger percentage, or one that was no doubt slim and taken for?
Like doesn’t it seem silly to blame 5 when 30 is such a larger number? Isn’t it dumb to blame people treating democracy like democracy instead of the politicians that won’t meet the electorate where it matters?
Third party voters and non voters both get republicans elected so I don’t concern myself with a distinction. They’re both in the group of people that clearly don’t understand how the government works, or was supposed to before they let republicans ratfuck it.
Blame them all, since they’re all to blame. I’ve already shown how less than 5% is more than enough to give us a decade of Trumpism.
A lot of these “both sides” leftists fall into the 30% non-voter category, rather than the third party voter category, by the way.
The party should start behaving accordingly, then. Instead they alienate their base by sprinting to the right in an idiotic attempt to get republican votes. Republicans hate you. They are not going to vote for you.
You’re assuming all of those people are progressives. Quite the opposite, actually.
They don’t all have to be. Look closely again at the numbers and you’ll notice some are larger than others. Think of the implications of that.
Now do Claudia De La Cruz.
You do it, lazy.
I’ve made my point about you people supposedly not being numerous enough to matter. A few hundred thousand votes is easily enough to matter if the election is close enough. And you never know how close an election will be before it happens.
So maybe the party should start treating us as though we’re people with agency whose votes they need.
Maybe you should be informed and invested enough in your own well being not to shoot us all collectively in the foot over misplaced principles.
Yes, my 12 made me very lazy.
Bullshit. Absolute drivel. More voting is what solves this not less
Betrayal discourages voting, but the party keeps doing it anyway.
I thought the only party that Ensign_Crab cared about was the United Russia party
I don’t trust them to run honest primaries either.
Yeah they’re exactly the same. That must be why you spend all your time shitting on the parties trying to stop the fascist but rarely say anything against the farther right parties. Makes sense
Democrats try to appease fascists. They try to stop progressives. Haven’t you noticed?
I don’t have much occasion to reply to pushback from the farther right parties on lemmy. I’m ok with that. Please don’t invite them.
Your objectives are quite clear.
If progressives voted in the primaries in numbers then we’d have progressive candidates, but the average progressive seems to believe that the Dems are just as bad as the republicans because Americans are unfathomably stupid.
It certainly solved it when they did exactly that the last elections. I mean, israhell is not genociding gaza anymore, and prices are down… right?
Calling it israhell does make you sound like Trump. Why do people do this?
Israhell, USrael, Isreal… I don’t have the slightest bit of respect for that shithole of a nazi country so I’ll call it as I see fit, anything but its real name.
Sleepy Joe Biden, Demonrats etc. Its not edgy, just childish. But do as you please.
I’m getting the impression that you think I care about how others see me when I insult the modern nazis and… You’re wrong. I don’t. I enjoy calling them names of any kind. I don’t think they are more than an evil and dumb caricature of a human being so I’m treating them like such.
" I don’t think they are more than an evil and dumb caricature of a human being so I’m treating them like such."
This, by the way is original Nazi- Sprech! Nazi - Talk for non Germans.
Are you upset because I don’t think nazis deserve human treatment? Because that’s what it looks like. And just in case it wasn’t obvious, yes, I do think that nazis (like those zionists from USrael) crossed the line that separates them from human beings a while ago. If that bothers you, I strongly recommend you to block me, because I strongly believe that the only good nazi is a dead nazi.
You don’t insult the " Nazis", you just insult yourself in a very childish way. And all the Hate that spills out of your Keyboard isn’t get less, while you just trying to find another creative way to make funny names. Try to be mature.
I mean, by absolute numbers, the genocide under Trump is actually less destructive than the genocide under Biden. Trump is more cruel and crass about it. But the cold hard inescapable truth is that far more Gazans died under Biden than will die under Trump. Trump has active malice about Palestinians, Biden simply didn’t even consider them human and worthy of any consideration whatsoever.
As far as prices, again, inflation is lower under Trump that it was under Biden.
I hate Trump’s guts, but you’re describing things that Biden objectively performed worse than Trump on. You’re falling for the assumption that Trump is automatically worse at Biden than everything.
Keep in mind, israel killed the journalists that were reporting the deaths early on, aka, during Biden’s term.
The most intensive bombing and fighting was during Biden’s term. That’s when most of the deaths happened. But, people will reflexively downvote the truth. All they know is that Trump=bad. Therefore, it’s impossible for any Democrat to ever be as bad or worse than him on anything. Blue MAGA at work.
Again, the death rate in Gaza has been like 65k since May of 2025. While I’ve heard from credible sources that deaths in Gaza alone are like 300k now. So you’re only basing your judgment on what was reported, while the journalist were doing it were still alive.
Blue maga isn’t a thing, that’s Russian agitprop and you’re mindlessly repeating it to get republicans elected in the midterms.
Why wouldn’t it be a thing? Do you think someone is magically immune to certain kinds of mental failings simply because of what color shirt they wear?
Stupid people are everywhere but you’re still repeating propaganda intended to benefit republicans. It also creates a false equivalency between republican and democratic platforms which is wildly disingenuous to anyone who isn’t stupid. It’s another attempt at both sides. Only stupid people fall for that shit.
“Both sides are the same” is a thought terminating cliche, both ways that it’s used. You noted one use of it, but you’re actually using that cliche yourself in a different way.
“Stop arguing both sides are the same!” is often used to deflect criticism of the Democratic party, even when the commentor never even claims parties are the same. There is nothing wrong with pointing out when Democrats commit some of the same sins as Republicans. That doesn’t mean the speaker is arguing that both parties are the same.
In other words, stop pretending that criticism against Democrats is the same thing as arguing both parties are the same.
Remember, this thinking is what cost us 2024. Kamala was out there talking up the official inflation rate, arguing that inflation was fixed. They ignored people’s actual lived experiences and ignored any dicussion of how that inflation rate is calculated. I remember being shouted down by folks like you on reddit. They dismissed any criticism of Democrats as Russian or Republican propaganda. They believed they had to manifest a political victory - if they stuck their fingers in the ears and shouted long enough, then Kamala would surely win.
In the end, this Blue MAGA impulse cost us the election. Liberals have this toxic positivity “speak no evil” vibe, and it prevents them from making pivots necessary to win elections.
Look at Gaza. They literally ordered their campaign workers to not collect data on any opinions on the conflict. They actively tuned themselves out from criticism, thinking they could vibe their way to victory. They actively chose to ignore the voters. And voters slaughtered them for their hubris.
That is the sin of Blue MAGA. Toxic positivity. Denial of reality. Dismissal of any critique as a Republican or Russian psy op.
true!
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war
“We”? Who’s we? Nintendo Wii? Or are you speaking French right now?
Most progressives did vote for Kamala, you clown. Criticizing and objecting and calling out a candidate’s bad policies does not mean they won’t vote for them if it comes down to it. You liberals are the most fragile wallflowers in the planet, there’s a reason people call you blue MAGA. You can’t fathom someone criticizing a person and still voting for them. It doesn’t compute in your fucking brain, you see any criticism as a sin and a sign that person will not vote, vote third party, or vote for the republican.
Newsflash, the world doesn’t work like that, you giant toddler in the body of a 30+ year old.
Are you sure you’re replying to the right post? Are you ok?
Sorry, I can’t tell if you’re one of those smarmy liberals or something else.
Well, for starters, don’t go calling “clown” someone you don’t even know based on a single sentence (let alone any of the other names you called me, but I digress…). The people I was referring to were not those who voted for Kamala and criticize what she does. But those who didn’t vote for her (roughly a 30% of the voting population) because “both sides”.
You call me “liberal” when you don’t even know if I’m from your continent (spoilers: I’m not) and don’t know what do I vote in my continent and my country (even more spoilers, I tend to vote the parties furthest in the left spectrum).
Then you call me “blue MAGA” (again, I’m not American, and I mean it as inhabitant of the whole continent) and a “fragile wallflower”? Mate, I’m autistic, if I were a “fragile wallflower” I would have already committed suicide for the amount of bullying I’ve suffered.
Not only I CAN fathom someone criticizing a person and still voting for them, I DO IT EVERY SINGLE TIME I FUCKING VOTE because I believe we should held politicians accountable.
The rest is not even worth of commenting because you just go saying senseless stuff.
Blue maga is Russian agitprop attempting to get progressives not to vote Dem. Don’t fall for it.
Bad people in power make sure change isn’t on the ballot.
What about this comic makes you think the point is “Charlie should stop trying to kick the ball” and not “Lucy should stop pulling this shit”?
The Lucy pulling the football thing has always been about the fact that Lucy is an asshole that Charlie Brown should not trust, and that Charlie Brown should stop trying to kick the football.
Charlie Brown is right to be upset at Lucy’s behavior.
Try the completely empty slogan “vote for change you can believe in”, worked for the drone king
Not doing nothing! Rising up and overthrowing capitalism. How, you ask? You know, rising up! What practical plan is there for afterwards? Plenty of time to figure that out later!
Shh! You’re challenging their “moral superiority”.
Chuck schumer has joined the chat from Israel
Didn’t vote for genocide? Smugly wow look at your “moral superiority”.