Ahh yes blame the people who believe in democracy enough to vote their conscience, the smallest percentage of people. And not the cheaters.
Definitely not the bomb threats, the thrown out voter rolls, the mail-in ballots in ditches, the constant redistricting. It’s the tiniest percentage of people who have all the power.
Nevermind the Michigan Data, or the Pennsylvania Data. Or the 30%-40% that sit the fuck out every national election. No it’s that tiny percent.
For the record I voted Harris because I do believe in harm reduction over absolutism, but it’s fucking stupid to blame the third party voters that happen to actually believe in democracy and that you should vote for who you want, not who can win.
Frankly if we as a nation would had voted for a third party or independent candidate sooner, it’s quite possible the either Major Party would have died like the Whigs when the Republican Party came onto the scene.
Just think about it critically instead of continuing that stupid ass dogma that got us here in the first place.
You can see how refusing to distance herself from genocide left an opening that spoiler candidates could exploit, can’t you?
And since you and a bunch of other dopey centrists are gonna imagine that this is somehow an admission of a vote for stein if I don’t say this: I voted for harris.
The people shouting the loudest about Gaza historically don’t fucking vote, ever. So why would anyone assume catering to them would amount to anything when they already don’t vote? It’s not complicated and her position on Palestine likely didn’t have significant effect on the outcome because anyone that actually votes knew well the republicans would embolden netanyahu. And good that you voted for Harris, now please stop trying to convince people not to vote because that gets republicans elected and republicans are worse because they’re unified and they’re all as bad as the worst Dems. It’s not fucking complicated. Like this is literally the only option that isn’t full on violent revolution, societal collapse, or the christofascist technofeudalist dystopia the republicans are ushering in.
Do the republicans your wing of the party keeps pursuing vote for you? Because it seems to me like “you never vote for us” never caused centrists to ignore them.
I don’t understand why you refuse to understand that if progressives voted for progressive candidates in democratic primaries in enough numbers then we would have progressive democratic candidates.
I don’t disagree which is why I’ve never voted Stein. The Green Party has never been a serious third party to me, but seems to get brought up as a strawman at every turn when a blueberry wants to avoid their cognitive dissonance.
National elections are so close these days, any of these things could be the but-for difference maker in any given election. Certainly the large number of non-voters you mention (I’m note sure if any of those election fraud claims are consequential).
But, in this thread, we are responding to one particular group that consistently helps Republicans win, because they’re the ones who posted it, and they’re here in the comments to be argued with!
Except it’s never been their fault. Even in the “best” years third party voters make up less than 5% of the electorate. It’s a lie of statistics to not mention the non-voters. You’re telling me that the third party voters are more at fault than politician whose job is to get elected being unable to steal that percentage from the non voters?
No what does happen instead? What did The Democratic Party do not long before the election? Did they appeal to the Non-Voters? Or did they appeal to “moderate” Republicans? Did they go for the larger percentage, or one that was no doubt slim and taken for?
Like doesn’t it seem silly to blame 5 when 30 is such a larger number? Isn’t it dumb to blame people treating democracy like democracy instead of the politicians that won’t meet the electorate where it matters?
Third party voters and non voters both get republicans elected so I don’t concern myself with a distinction. They’re both in the group of people that clearly don’t understand how the government works, or was supposed to before they let republicans ratfuck it.
Yeah, why bother with understanding when you can just place blame. Then you’ll bitch about how the Democratic Party lost again because they can’t meet the electorate where they’re at.
Revel in your ignorance and stupidity I guess. More worried about placing blame than fixing things like a good little blueberry.
It’s every American’s duty and responsibility to be civically engaged and informed. The onus is always on the voter. It mostly just speaks to how goddamn stupid and/or disengaged the average American is that they still don’t understand how the system functions at a basic level. And how they can be all reliable to refusing to act in their best interests. Y’all think everything comes down to a giant douche and a turd sandwich so you take the turd sandwich because you can’t tell the difference between literally eating shit and a weird shaped water tank.
All you’re saying is that you’re ignoring the will of voters you need because you accept trump over listening to people who don’t like genocide as much as you do.
No, what you showed was a lie of statistics. It’s not reality. It’s context less without the Non-voter numbers.
And even if they do, I wonder how many of those non-voters would be third party voters if they hadn’t been told their whole life their choices don’t matter unless they vote for the Evil Candidate or the Rolling Over Candidate?
Once again why isn’t a politicians fault for not meeting the electorate where they’re at? Like Non voters are the clear winner every election purely on the numbers. Have you ever asked yourself why? Ever asked them?
National elections are so close these days, any of these things could be the but-for difference maker in any given election.
The party should start behaving accordingly, then. Instead they alienate their base by sprinting to the right in an idiotic attempt to get republican votes. Republicans hate you. They are not going to vote for you.
I’ve made my point about you people supposedly not being numerous enough to matter. A few hundred thousand votes is easily enough to matter if the election is close enough. And you never know how close an election will be before it happens.
I’ve made my point about you people supposedly not being numerous enough to matter. A few hundred thousand votes is easily enough to matter if the election is close enough. And you never know how close an election will be before it happens.
So maybe the party should start treating us as though we’re people with agency whose votes they need.
I voted for harris. I wasn’t expecting second worst to be good enough to win, and I shouldn’t have expected the genocide wing to not blame everyone to the left of netanyahu, regardless of how they voted. It’s not the votes you have a problem with. You hate the idea of anyone ever being allowed to utter an unkind word about the perpetrators of genocide under any circumstances.
You’re out here actively trying to convince people not to vote. You’re either a republican or an accelerationist because your rhetoric is accelerationist rhetoric that elects republicans. Short of a violent revolution in which you and I and everything you love dies or total societal collapse in which you and I and everything you love dies violently the only actual option is the democratic party, by primarying incumbents with progressives at every level in every area. So either we get on with the full tilt collapse of the US or we start dragging the democratic party left. What you’re doing here gets republicans elected.
2016 Election: Stein Votes vs. Trump Margin
Ahh yes blame the people who believe in democracy enough to vote their conscience, the smallest percentage of people. And not the cheaters.
Definitely not the bomb threats, the thrown out voter rolls, the mail-in ballots in ditches, the constant redistricting. It’s the tiniest percentage of people who have all the power.
Nevermind the Michigan Data, or the Pennsylvania Data. Or the 30%-40% that sit the fuck out every national election. No it’s that tiny percent.
For the record I voted Harris because I do believe in harm reduction over absolutism, but it’s fucking stupid to blame the third party voters that happen to actually believe in democracy and that you should vote for who you want, not who can win.
Frankly if we as a nation would had voted for a third party or independent candidate sooner, it’s quite possible the either Major Party would have died like the Whigs when the Republican Party came onto the scene.
Just think about it critically instead of continuing that stupid ass dogma that got us here in the first place.
Stein was a spoiler and a Russian asset, if voting your conscious meant voting for her your conscious is fuckin stupid.
You can see how refusing to distance herself from genocide left an opening that spoiler candidates could exploit, can’t you?
And since you and a bunch of other dopey centrists are gonna imagine that this is somehow an admission of a vote for stein if I don’t say this: I voted for harris.
The people shouting the loudest about Gaza historically don’t fucking vote, ever. So why would anyone assume catering to them would amount to anything when they already don’t vote? It’s not complicated and her position on Palestine likely didn’t have significant effect on the outcome because anyone that actually votes knew well the republicans would embolden netanyahu. And good that you voted for Harris, now please stop trying to convince people not to vote because that gets republicans elected and republicans are worse because they’re unified and they’re all as bad as the worst Dems. It’s not fucking complicated. Like this is literally the only option that isn’t full on violent revolution, societal collapse, or the christofascist technofeudalist dystopia the republicans are ushering in.
I shout pretty loud about the genocide wing’s greatest accomplishment, and I vote.
Ok? Good for you, anecdotes aren’t data and progressives still mostly don’t vote.
Do the republicans your wing of the party keeps pursuing vote for you? Because it seems to me like “you never vote for us” never caused centrists to ignore them.
I don’t understand why you refuse to understand that if progressives voted for progressive candidates in democratic primaries in enough numbers then we would have progressive democratic candidates.
I don’t disagree which is why I’ve never voted Stein. The Green Party has never been a serious third party to me, but seems to get brought up as a strawman at every turn when a blueberry wants to avoid their cognitive dissonance.
National elections are so close these days, any of these things could be the but-for difference maker in any given election. Certainly the large number of non-voters you mention (I’m note sure if any of those election fraud claims are consequential).
But, in this thread, we are responding to one particular group that consistently helps Republicans win, because they’re the ones who posted it, and they’re here in the comments to be argued with!
Except it’s never been their fault. Even in the “best” years third party voters make up less than 5% of the electorate. It’s a lie of statistics to not mention the non-voters. You’re telling me that the third party voters are more at fault than politician whose job is to get elected being unable to steal that percentage from the non voters?
No what does happen instead? What did The Democratic Party do not long before the election? Did they appeal to the Non-Voters? Or did they appeal to “moderate” Republicans? Did they go for the larger percentage, or one that was no doubt slim and taken for?
Like doesn’t it seem silly to blame 5 when 30 is such a larger number? Isn’t it dumb to blame people treating democracy like democracy instead of the politicians that won’t meet the electorate where it matters?
Third party voters and non voters both get republicans elected so I don’t concern myself with a distinction. They’re both in the group of people that clearly don’t understand how the government works, or was supposed to before they let republicans ratfuck it.
Yeah, why bother with understanding when you can just place blame. Then you’ll bitch about how the Democratic Party lost again because they can’t meet the electorate where they’re at.
Revel in your ignorance and stupidity I guess. More worried about placing blame than fixing things like a good little blueberry.
Behold, the people that clearly don’t understand how the government works.
Behold the people who don’t understand others outside themselves and think they can just bully others into compliance when it doesn’t go their way.
Non voters are still the largest piece of the electorate pie and dwarfs all other factions by comparison. Maybe you should look into why that is.
Because republican and Russian propaganda works and Americans are largely too overworked and stupid to be aware of our own best interests.
Maybe try understanding how voters work.
It’s every American’s duty and responsibility to be civically engaged and informed. The onus is always on the voter. It mostly just speaks to how goddamn stupid and/or disengaged the average American is that they still don’t understand how the system functions at a basic level. And how they can be all reliable to refusing to act in their best interests. Y’all think everything comes down to a giant douche and a turd sandwich so you take the turd sandwich because you can’t tell the difference between literally eating shit and a weird shaped water tank.
Blame them all, since they’re all to blame. I’ve already shown how less than 5% is more than enough to give us a decade of Trumpism.
A lot of these “both sides” leftists fall into the 30% non-voter category, rather than the third party voter category, by the way.
All you’re saying is that you’re ignoring the will of voters you need because you accept trump over listening to people who don’t like genocide as much as you do.
No, what you showed was a lie of statistics. It’s not reality. It’s context less without the Non-voter numbers.
And even if they do, I wonder how many of those non-voters would be third party voters if they hadn’t been told their whole life their choices don’t matter unless they vote for the Evil Candidate or the Rolling Over Candidate?
Once again why isn’t a politicians fault for not meeting the electorate where they’re at? Like Non voters are the clear winner every election purely on the numbers. Have you ever asked yourself why? Ever asked them?
I mean, Harris apparently met 75 million voters where they were at. HaVe U eVeR sToPPeD to ask UrSeLF Y??
Lmao, and yet still lost. Guess we wasted our votes.
The party should start behaving accordingly, then. Instead they alienate their base by sprinting to the right in an idiotic attempt to get republican votes. Republicans hate you. They are not going to vote for you.
You’re assuming all of those people are progressives. Quite the opposite, actually.
They don’t all have to be. Look closely again at the numbers and you’ll notice some are larger than others. Think of the implications of that.
Now do Claudia De La Cruz.
You do it, lazy.
I’ve made my point about you people supposedly not being numerous enough to matter. A few hundred thousand votes is easily enough to matter if the election is close enough. And you never know how close an election will be before it happens.
So maybe the party should start treating us as though we’re people with agency whose votes they need.
Maybe you should be informed and invested enough in your own well being not to shoot us all collectively in the foot over misplaced principles.
I voted for harris. I wasn’t expecting second worst to be good enough to win, and I shouldn’t have expected the genocide wing to not blame everyone to the left of netanyahu, regardless of how they voted. It’s not the votes you have a problem with. You hate the idea of anyone ever being allowed to utter an unkind word about the perpetrators of genocide under any circumstances.
You’re out here actively trying to convince people not to vote. You’re either a republican or an accelerationist because your rhetoric is accelerationist rhetoric that elects republicans. Short of a violent revolution in which you and I and everything you love dies or total societal collapse in which you and I and everything you love dies violently the only actual option is the democratic party, by primarying incumbents with progressives at every level in every area. So either we get on with the full tilt collapse of the US or we start dragging the democratic party left. What you’re doing here gets republicans elected.
No, I’m not. You just interpret all discontent with the genocide wing as such.
What do you think you’re doing when you’re all over this thread with every comment declaring democrats are worse than republicans?
Yes, my 12 made me very lazy.