Schumer and other neoliberals don’t like Mamdani, but neoliberals lost the DNC and won’t hang onto their leadership positions unless they get people to turn their nose up during Dem primaries.
Thats why voting in Dem primaries is more important than ever.
Listening to billionaire owned media about when the DNC is on our side, is like selling gold because you keep seeing “cash for gold” places…
So save the finger-waging at The Voters and reconsider how much Wall Street machine politics keeps a stranglehold on the statewide offices, such that guys like Mamdani are far more the exception than the rule.
And Lemmy users are voluntarily consenting to become disenfranchised. They’re doing the billionaires’ work for them.
They’re voluntarily agreeing to stay home on election day, let Trump win, and kill the Palestinian protest movement by giving people new problems to worry about.
If it weren’t for these non voters, Kamala would have won and we’d currently be forcing her to divest from Israel. But instead we have Trump bombing Iran on Netanyahu’s orders and we have to do No Kings instead of No Israel. We’re stretched too thin because of these guys.
The boot licking is coming from inside the liberal tent. That’s why we ended up with a liberal majority voting for more ICE agents and fewer IRS agents.
You have to wonder how many accounts are people trying to drive disengagement with the process as well, then. Cause there’s a hell of a lot more “dont bother participating cause we’re all doomed” commenters than those sucking off the DNC.
It’s possible. Stanning for DNC leadership seems weirder to me than being blackpilled about democratic participation, though. I don’t agree with either position, but being jaded is at least understandable to me.
And you don’t think that’s a problem? That you identify more with people who’d rather do nothing and let everything burn down around you out of spite than do literally anything to help?
It’s not even like they’re saying “This person is the greatest person who ever existed and should lead the world!” They’re just saying “This guy isn’t as bad as you make him out to be, maybe give the process a chance instead of giving up entirely”.
Don’t put words in my mouth. Being jaded is understandable because of the extremely obvious flaws in our democracy and the negligible correlation between what voters want and what they get, and being dismissive of the DNC leadership is equally understandable given the canyon between them and their voters on Israel, money in politics, and the relationship between workers and capital.
I never said burn it all down, and explicitly said I disagree with the blackpilled. Your representation of what I said is so dishonest I’m wondering if you’re an alt account.
I find irrational hope and irrational despair equally easy to understand, but I’m always gonna side with irrational hope over irrational despair.
What I don’t understand is thinking that irrational hope is a billionaire ploy but irrational despair isn’t. Have you seen the world in the last 6 years? The billionaires love despair and hate hope.
I’m on the Wachowskis’ side with thinking that love and hope are inherently revolutionary. All of their movies are about people who believe in hope overthrowing the ruling class. The Matrix, V for Vendetta, Speed Racer…
I find it amusing that dbzer0 is all “Don’t advocate for electoralism (which we define as voting at all) here, you have the rest of Lemmy to do that” when the ratio is so unbalanced.
I mean, probably not. Part of me thinks it’s that it’s just easier to bitch online and wear that than join a community or instance that actually expects something of you.
I don’t think a group of more than about 20 people could be on my side. Though I’ve been kicked out of groups smaller than that so maybe not even then.
So support people instead. Just because those parties are full of people doesn’t mean you have to go all in if you support a few of them.
The process is what we have, and we’re not going to make it better by refusing to participate in it. At best we’d make things worse and it collapses… and it gets a lot worse. Then maybe we can replace it with something better. If someone worse doesn’t get there first.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good-enough-for-now, especially if it means millions are going to suffer for the inaction.
That’s what an independent is. When I registered to vote 50 years ago this year, I declined to register with a party, and I still haven’t. I despise both parties, I think they are both anti-Democracy, but I’ll never vote MAGA, and probably not even Republican, until they sincerely reform, and apologize.
That doesn’t mean I’m a Democrat, I hate them nearly as much. I support individual people whom I trust, like AOC and Max Frost. Sometimes it goes awry - I was a supporter of Eric Swallwell, until it turned out he was serial rapist, but at least I’m not blindly following an entire party of people like him.
You might be right, it looks like it was Hakeem Jeffries who announced support as early voting happened. Schumer just ignored the question everytime he was asked.
I could swear I saw a speech from him about supporting the DNC even if it didn’t name Mamdani specifically, but I’m having trouble finding that now.
It’s wild how revisionist you centrist types get whenever you’re proven wrong.
Just keep supporting every liberatory movement only after it succeeds and expect everyone to forget you were against it when it could’ve actually benefitted from your support. You must also be gaslighting yourselves, because otherwise you’d have enough shame to admit you were wrong.
It’s about what you managed to convince yourself. The reason you can’t find that speech from Schumer endorsing Mamdani is because it doesn’t exist. You hallucinated it to preserve your ego after Mamdani’s victory shook your worldview.
Well, you are excusing yourself from posting a clear falsehood and misinformation. You can delete that shit you know right? How many times have you posted that BS somewhere else and it wasn’t challenged?
The DNC chair said we need candidate like Mamdani both in policy and charisma almost immediately after Mamdani won his primary…
And the only reason he waited that long. Is he won’t put his finger on the scale of any primary
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/dnc-chair-on-the-path-to-winning-back-voters-and-lessons-democrats-can-learn-from-mamdani
Schumer and other neoliberals don’t like Mamdani, but neoliberals lost the DNC and won’t hang onto their leadership positions unless they get people to turn their nose up during Dem primaries.
Thats why voting in Dem primaries is more important than ever.
Listening to billionaire owned media about when the DNC is on our side, is like selling gold because you keep seeing “cash for gold” places…
My brother, I have an amazing deal on a bridge if you’d just jump into my DMs really quick.
If you see a candidate worth voting for then you should vote for them. But never forget that NYC has some of the most byzantine and restrictive voting laws in the country. Worse than Florida. Worse than Texas.
So save the finger-waging at The Voters and reconsider how much Wall Street machine politics keeps a stranglehold on the statewide offices, such that guys like Mamdani are far more the exception than the rule.
Yeah! Voting is difficult so people have lots of excuses to not bother!
Apathy is the biggest factor in disenfranchisement, much as we’d all like to blame “the establishment” for lack of participation.
Disenfranchisement is public policy, so people are prohibited from casting their votes.
And Lemmy users are voluntarily consenting to become disenfranchised. They’re doing the billionaires’ work for them.
They’re voluntarily agreeing to stay home on election day, let Trump win, and kill the Palestinian protest movement by giving people new problems to worry about.
If it weren’t for these non voters, Kamala would have won and we’d currently be forcing her to divest from Israel. But instead we have Trump bombing Iran on Netanyahu’s orders and we have to do No Kings instead of No Israel. We’re stretched too thin because of these guys.
I’m pretty sure the argument is that the Democrat party is a billionaire owned party.
That’s just victim blaming.
I love blaming victims who lick boot
The boot licking is coming from inside the liberal tent. That’s why we ended up with a liberal majority voting for more ICE agents and fewer IRS agents.
You are reversing the timeline. Most politicians betrayed them so they no longer care and bother to vote. I am person who votes
At this point I’m not ruling out that Ken Martin has a lemmy account. That account only ever shows up to stan for him.
You have to wonder how many accounts are people trying to drive disengagement with the process as well, then. Cause there’s a hell of a lot more “dont bother participating cause we’re all doomed” commenters than those sucking off the DNC.
It’s possible. Stanning for DNC leadership seems weirder to me than being blackpilled about democratic participation, though. I don’t agree with either position, but being jaded is at least understandable to me.
And you don’t think that’s a problem? That you identify more with people who’d rather do nothing and let everything burn down around you out of spite than do literally anything to help?
It’s not even like they’re saying “This person is the greatest person who ever existed and should lead the world!” They’re just saying “This guy isn’t as bad as you make him out to be, maybe give the process a chance instead of giving up entirely”.
Don’t put words in my mouth. Being jaded is understandable because of the extremely obvious flaws in our democracy and the negligible correlation between what voters want and what they get, and being dismissive of the DNC leadership is equally understandable given the canyon between them and their voters on Israel, money in politics, and the relationship between workers and capital.
I never said burn it all down, and explicitly said I disagree with the blackpilled. Your representation of what I said is so dishonest I’m wondering if you’re an alt account.
I find irrational hope and irrational despair equally easy to understand, but I’m always gonna side with irrational hope over irrational despair.
What I don’t understand is thinking that irrational hope is a billionaire ploy but irrational despair isn’t. Have you seen the world in the last 6 years? The billionaires love despair and hate hope.
I’m on the Wachowskis’ side with thinking that love and hope are inherently revolutionary. All of their movies are about people who believe in hope overthrowing the ruling class. The Matrix, V for Vendetta, Speed Racer…
I find it amusing that dbzer0 is all “Don’t advocate for electoralism (which we define as voting at all) here, you have the rest of Lemmy to do that” when the ratio is so unbalanced.
Are there even ANY pro-voting instances?
I mean, probably not. Part of me thinks it’s that it’s just easier to bitch online and wear that than join a community or instance that actually expects something of you.
Finding out the DNC has an unpaid intern working the Lemmy beat would be so fucking funny.
That the account moderates “A Boring Dystopia” carries levels of irony my mind can barely even grasp.
I don’t believe it because while the Dems are terrible at social media they’d never waste money on Lemmy
That’s the cool thing about unpaid interns…
We’re talking about capitalists, here. They understand opportunity costs are losses.
I’m not sure what that has to do with the use of free labor.
Basically if they use an unpaid intern on Lemmy that’s one less unpaid intern on a social media platform that average people actually use.
I do not believe any political party will ever be on my side.
They could be, but not with a two party system. We need proportional representation so smaller parties can actually exist in government.
I don’t think a group of more than about 20 people could be on my side. Though I’ve been kicked out of groups smaller than that so maybe not even then.
I think that might be a you problem…
Sounds like you need to start a militia and go doom-prep in the woods, then. The political process just isn’t right for you.
Only if my militia is woodland creatures.
Sounds like they’d get kicked out of that, too.
So support people instead. Just because those parties are full of people doesn’t mean you have to go all in if you support a few of them.
The process is what we have, and we’re not going to make it better by refusing to participate in it. At best we’d make things worse and it collapses… and it gets a lot worse. Then maybe we can replace it with something better. If someone worse doesn’t get there first.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good-enough-for-now, especially if it means millions are going to suffer for the inaction.
That’s what an independent is. When I registered to vote 50 years ago this year, I declined to register with a party, and I still haven’t. I despise both parties, I think they are both anti-Democracy, but I’ll never vote MAGA, and probably not even Republican, until they sincerely reform, and apologize.
That doesn’t mean I’m a Democrat, I hate them nearly as much. I support individual people whom I trust, like AOC and Max Frost. Sometimes it goes awry - I was a supporter of Eric Swallwell, until it turned out he was serial rapist, but at least I’m not blindly following an entire party of people like him.
Things will get worse and eventually collapse and millions will suffer regardless of my actions. Entropy is a bitch and life is suffering.
And perfect isn’t fighting good. Less bad is fighting worse bad.
Even Schumer endorsed Mamdani during the election, over that fuckin buffoon Third Party Cuomo.
Schumer never endorsed Mamdani.
You might be right, it looks like it was Hakeem Jeffries who announced support as early voting happened. Schumer just ignored the question everytime he was asked.
I could swear I saw a speech from him about supporting the DNC even if it didn’t name Mamdani specifically, but I’m having trouble finding that now.
It’s wild how revisionist you centrist types get whenever you’re proven wrong.
Just keep supporting every liberatory movement only after it succeeds and expect everyone to forget you were against it when it could’ve actually benefitted from your support. You must also be gaslighting yourselves, because otherwise you’d have enough shame to admit you were wrong.
Yes, I totally doubled down and refused any fault just now. That’s exactly what happened. Good job, detective. /s
It’s about what you managed to convince yourself. The reason you can’t find that speech from Schumer endorsing Mamdani is because it doesn’t exist. You hallucinated it to preserve your ego after Mamdani’s victory shook your worldview.
Well, you are excusing yourself from posting a clear falsehood and misinformation. You can delete that shit you know right? How many times have you posted that BS somewhere else and it wasn’t challenged?