we’re just building another platform full of very angry people flooding the platform with their negativity and extremist views, and shouting down anyone who doesn’t agree with their angry world view.
if you compare the lemmy and reddit front pages, they increasingly look similar. just lots of pettiness, political anger, and dad-joke level memes. we’re also starting to see a core group of power users on fedi who post their agendas and tend to flood out content posed by more casual users.
This is what people want. a year or two ago, lemmy was very different, but as it grows more popular it reflects more populist viewpoints and pushes more bait-content that is entirely about emotional reactions and bias confirmation.
You can’t platform or technology away human beings natural propensities for ignorance and rage.
The reason the early internet had less of it was, well, the early internet was much harder to interact with and it was largely text-based, and it was mostly full of positive tech enthusiasts who thought they were going to solve all the world problems with with the internet. Now the internet is dominated by content that is largely pornographic in nature, desired to stimulate the lowest most base desires, and it’s predominantly short-form video and image based, which even the dumbest people can understand and relate to, and overwhelmingly rewards negative feedback loops.
This depends upon the communities you follow. And you have the choice to NOT follow them. I only read the communities that I subscribe to (instead of sorting by ‘all’), and it is very rare that I encounter the garbage that you’re describing.
echo chambering yourself isn’t healthy or productive. it just makes you ignorant about what is going on around you.
I am not interested in protecting my feelings and surrounding myself only with people who reflect my own beliefs back at me. I’m interested in diversity and understanding other points of view, even those I disagree with.
for me knowledge is the antidote, not ‘positive vibes only’.
If subscribing to one’s own interests is an ‘echo chamber’, then all of us are guilty. If you are going to immerse yourself in ‘diversity and understanding’ by dunking yourself headfirst into the totality of the human condition without any filters whatsoever…well, you get what you deserve, I guess.
You know, I think people have many different interests and reasons for why they use social media platforms. Some are just hobbyists and use it for those purposes and thus curate and control a feed that emphasises their interests. Is that bad?
No. But it’s bad if they insist and harass other people who don’t use the platform the same way they do, or deny/refuse to acknowledge other types of users and problems exist, just because they have curated it out of their experience.
It’s not any different than a white person claiming the cops never bother them, so clearly this BLM thing is totally made up nonsense and these silly black people should stop complaining about police profiling and brutality towards black people.
People generally, really really struggle, with the concept that other people are different than them. For whatever reason, they seem to view other people’s differences, and difference experiences and concerns, as THREATS to themselves, and respond with hostility, often under the ‘let me help you you ignorant fool’ guise.
I mean, i block those people frequently, but man they exist in abundance here. Far more so than in my most of my reddit experience, but similar to my reddit experience from 2020-2022 when my post about my cat sitting on my porch got me banned for inciting violence, because outdoor cats are all mass murders and I am also one if I let my cat on my porch.
Yeah, if you curate your feed to not see things, you won’t think they are happening.
That’s the problem with all social media platforms. People self-select into their own little worlds, and think anyone outside of that world is ‘boxing at shadows’. Or they convince themselves that they are heroic warriors on a holy war against Microsoft, etc.
Personally, I enjoy the ability to go into other communities and see what is going on there. I prefer to investigate things myself, than rely on hearsay and dwell in ignorance and denial that thinks I don’t know about or experience don’t exist.
more or less. this is precisely why so many people thought Trump would not be elected and were shocked he got elected twice.
they were living in a bubble world totally ignorant of how the other half of their country was living. including most of the media. they also systematically deny the problems in this country that fueled the rise of the alt-right and the expansion of hate-group, again because they live in a cultural bubble where these problems don’t exist.
those of us who were paying attention to how other people live, think, and vote, were not at all surprised at his victories.
Just so I’m getting this straight,
Being in control of your feed = “echo chambering yourself”.
Looking at everything = “very angry people flooding the platform with their negativity and extremist views”.
your interpreting my comment into a false dichotomy.
people here are simply pissed that i’m acknowledging the existence of a userbase that is problematic. that userbase would be here regardless of my blocking them or not. because of them, they dont’ exist because of their own highly curated experience and self-selection into an echo chamber communities.
and this is because… those echo chamber users are the very same people.
they are practicing three monkeys philosophy, if they pretend to not see it, it doesn’t exist. if someone tells them it exists, then that person is the evil person. if someone points it how and shows it to them, they block that person because they can’t acknowledge it’s existence or the existence of anyone who would acknowledge it.
Not everyone is using this platform for news and political opinions. Some people are here for hobbies and general entertainment. It’s not “echo chambering” yourself if you are filtering out content that is not relevant to your use case.
yeah but you don’t get to do that for other people.
that is where the dispute here seems to be.
i acknowledge a certain issue with the users on this site broadly speaking, and the reply is ‘well you are just stupid if you don’t block yourself off from ‘negative content’’.
like, if you are only here for hobbies and etc, why are you in this community? because you’re going to encounter stuff outside of that here. and if that is upsetting or disturbing to you, then you should self-select out of it. rather than try to harass and browbeat other people into compliance with your use of the site.
some of us are here for news and politics and viewpoints outside of our own on a plurality of topics. we don’t see their existence as a threat to own own inner peace or whatever and celebrate diversity of opinion and perspectives outside of our own.
i mean anyone can block me, that’s cool. i block people too. But thinking these people, ideas, and communities ‘disappear’ just because you don’t see them is straight up delusional… and yet folks in this thread are claiming this is the ‘only way’ to use this site. it isn’t.
We’re on the same page. The people who don’t get it I dont’ think ever will. But I’m glad I"m not the only one seeing how damaging and counter productive for us to think it’s ever a good idea to go around blocking anything we don’t like.
But the places with the most content are places that are all reddit lite. Very safe well moderated communities. It’s like lemmy is a place for people who thought r/pics was too spicy. As the OP said, people here are very confrontational avoidant. And that isn’t good because we need to be confrontational if we ever want to build a place that can build left leaning communities. If we don’t, if we ignore the world right now, it is only inevitable that this place will also be gone. And this may be the last space we have for a long time after that.
after being here for almost 5 years, I haven’t seen much of that, because I’m not looking for it-- but if those are the places you seek, as I’ve said, those are the choices you make. stop blaming others for your own choices.
this place wasn’t made for you, specifically. you sound like a spoiled child when you complain that it’s not exactly as you like and make no effort to use it as intended: to customize the experience to your liking. and when you make bad faith arguments complaining that there is content here you don’t like (especially when you seem to be seeking it out), you’re not fooling anyone.
You are sticking your head in a hole in the sand, and blaming other people for not doing the same.
Why does it upset you that others talk about things outside of your personal experience? Or you feel the need to tell them to curate their feeds in the same way you do?
Again, you are the type of user I’m talking about. Perhaps that why you find my comments disagreeable and think I should ‘solve’ the problem by just ignoring it’s existence. Not everyone wants to stick their head the sand. I am interested in what is going in in the world around me. I’m sorry that offends you.
It’s not a random insult. It’s a approach towards life that you have chosen that I do not share.
The world exist outside of me and my perceptions. A lot of people on lemmy have a very difficult time with this concept and default to solipsistic world view where nothing exists other than their curated internet feeds, and anyone who doesn’t live similarly is bad and stupid.
You can bang on all you want about whatever. Maybe you think religions is evil and bad… that doesn’t mean that billions of people on the planet don’t follow it.
no, i get the homepage the algorithm forces down my throat, despite my interests.
which is why i don’t use reddit or other social media platforms anymore.
your attitude is precise what i am calling out. I saw words you don’t like, so you want to dismiss it with personal attacks, because your petty need to dismiss and attack a viewpoint on things that makes you uncomfortable and doesn’t agree with your beliefs. for you ‘positive’ is things that only reflect your per-existing beliefs and biases, you’re just isolating yourself from the wider world.
lol, there’s no “algorithm” forcing anything. You see what you subscribe to. Stop blaming others for your own choices.
And pointing out that you’re wrong isn’t “a personal attack“— but calling me names because you don’t like that is. If you don’t care for that, perhaps you should think before you speak.
that’s not how the internet works dude. you are clinging to a belief that simple isn’t true.
but that’s pretty common on here, just like on reddit or real life. people cling to untruths because it makes them feel better or superior or something. Like using Linux is some form of social liberation or something… lol
But it is how the fediverse works dude. you really shouldn’t talk about stuff you don’t have at least a basic understanding of, at least while being as condescending as you are currently.
Again here you are minimizing the person you’re speaking with by calling them a kid.
This is suppose to be a place to discuss things. Avoid these attacks. Or just don’t come here if you can’t discuss topics without resorting to personal attacks.
There is no “algorithm” except if you sort by all, you get all, sorted by timestamp; if you choose “subscribed”, you get your subscribed communities, sorted by timestamp (both subject to “interesting” sorting when federation glitches out). It’s not like facebook or twitter where the “algorithm” is programmed to maximize engagement.
There was no personal attack in the completely true statement that in the fediverse, you get the front page YOU yourself choose, starting with choosing where you create your account because it defines what other servers your home instance connects to for federation.
Your understanding of the technical basis of the fediverse is lacking - and this is not a personal attack, it is what you publicly demonstrate.
The Fediverse’s small size makes it easier for social bubbles to form, IMO. Though there are two elements of its design that improve things slightly over Reddit; user blocking doesn’t disrupt the blocked user from continuing to participate in discussion, and both upvotes and downvotes are visible separately so you can tell when a comment or post is genuinely controversial.
I can confirm this. Lemmy started 6 years ago, and the “programming” communities are still an empty desert. I know I (and we all) could submit more posts, but it hasn’t really changed since the beginning. Sad but true, but I still prefer this compared to reddit.
https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats Lemmy has fallen by 10k in a year. Of course Piefed has increased it by about 6k, so it’s a net decline of about 4-5k.
we’re just building another platform full of very angry people flooding the platform with their negativity and extremist views, and shouting down anyone who doesn’t agree with their angry world view.
if you compare the lemmy and reddit front pages, they increasingly look similar. just lots of pettiness, political anger, and dad-joke level memes. we’re also starting to see a core group of power users on fedi who post their agendas and tend to flood out content posed by more casual users.
This is what people want. a year or two ago, lemmy was very different, but as it grows more popular it reflects more populist viewpoints and pushes more bait-content that is entirely about emotional reactions and bias confirmation.
You can’t platform or technology away human beings natural propensities for ignorance and rage.
The reason the early internet had less of it was, well, the early internet was much harder to interact with and it was largely text-based, and it was mostly full of positive tech enthusiasts who thought they were going to solve all the world problems with with the internet. Now the internet is dominated by content that is largely pornographic in nature, desired to stimulate the lowest most base desires, and it’s predominantly short-form video and image based, which even the dumbest people can understand and relate to, and overwhelmingly rewards negative feedback loops.
This depends upon the communities you follow. And you have the choice to NOT follow them. I only read the communities that I subscribe to (instead of sorting by ‘all’), and it is very rare that I encounter the garbage that you’re describing.
echo chambering yourself isn’t healthy or productive. it just makes you ignorant about what is going on around you.
I am not interested in protecting my feelings and surrounding myself only with people who reflect my own beliefs back at me. I’m interested in diversity and understanding other points of view, even those I disagree with.
for me knowledge is the antidote, not ‘positive vibes only’.
If subscribing to one’s own interests is an ‘echo chamber’, then all of us are guilty. If you are going to immerse yourself in ‘diversity and understanding’ by dunking yourself headfirst into the totality of the human condition without any filters whatsoever…well, you get what you deserve, I guess.
You’re standing on a beach with your back to an oncoming tsunami as if your pleasant view is going to last forever.
You know, I think people have many different interests and reasons for why they use social media platforms. Some are just hobbyists and use it for those purposes and thus curate and control a feed that emphasises their interests. Is that bad?
No. But it’s bad if they insist and harass other people who don’t use the platform the same way they do, or deny/refuse to acknowledge other types of users and problems exist, just because they have curated it out of their experience.
It’s not any different than a white person claiming the cops never bother them, so clearly this BLM thing is totally made up nonsense and these silly black people should stop complaining about police profiling and brutality towards black people.
People generally, really really struggle, with the concept that other people are different than them. For whatever reason, they seem to view other people’s differences, and difference experiences and concerns, as THREATS to themselves, and respond with hostility, often under the ‘let me help you you ignorant fool’ guise.
I mean, i block those people frequently, but man they exist in abundance here. Far more so than in my most of my reddit experience, but similar to my reddit experience from 2020-2022 when my post about my cat sitting on my porch got me banned for inciting violence, because outdoor cats are all mass murders and I am also one if I let my cat on my porch.
I don’t think this is happening though. I think you’re boxing at shadows.
Yeah, if you curate your feed to not see things, you won’t think they are happening.
That’s the problem with all social media platforms. People self-select into their own little worlds, and think anyone outside of that world is ‘boxing at shadows’. Or they convince themselves that they are heroic warriors on a holy war against Microsoft, etc.
Personally, I enjoy the ability to go into other communities and see what is going on there. I prefer to investigate things myself, than rely on hearsay and dwell in ignorance and denial that thinks I don’t know about or experience don’t exist.
more or less. this is precisely why so many people thought Trump would not be elected and were shocked he got elected twice.
they were living in a bubble world totally ignorant of how the other half of their country was living. including most of the media. they also systematically deny the problems in this country that fueled the rise of the alt-right and the expansion of hate-group, again because they live in a cultural bubble where these problems don’t exist.
those of us who were paying attention to how other people live, think, and vote, were not at all surprised at his victories.
Just so I’m getting this straight,
Being in control of your feed = “echo chambering yourself”.
Looking at everything = “very angry people flooding the platform with their negativity and extremist views”.
You do you.
No. you’re not getting it straight.
your interpreting my comment into a false dichotomy.
people here are simply pissed that i’m acknowledging the existence of a userbase that is problematic. that userbase would be here regardless of my blocking them or not. because of them, they dont’ exist because of their own highly curated experience and self-selection into an echo chamber communities.
and this is because… those echo chamber users are the very same people.
they are practicing three monkeys philosophy, if they pretend to not see it, it doesn’t exist. if someone tells them it exists, then that person is the evil person. if someone points it how and shows it to them, they block that person because they can’t acknowledge it’s existence or the existence of anyone who would acknowledge it.
Not everyone is using this platform for news and political opinions. Some people are here for hobbies and general entertainment. It’s not “echo chambering” yourself if you are filtering out content that is not relevant to your use case.
yeah but you don’t get to do that for other people.
that is where the dispute here seems to be.
i acknowledge a certain issue with the users on this site broadly speaking, and the reply is ‘well you are just stupid if you don’t block yourself off from ‘negative content’’.
like, if you are only here for hobbies and etc, why are you in this community? because you’re going to encounter stuff outside of that here. and if that is upsetting or disturbing to you, then you should self-select out of it. rather than try to harass and browbeat other people into compliance with your use of the site.
some of us are here for news and politics and viewpoints outside of our own on a plurality of topics. we don’t see their existence as a threat to own own inner peace or whatever and celebrate diversity of opinion and perspectives outside of our own.
i mean anyone can block me, that’s cool. i block people too. But thinking these people, ideas, and communities ‘disappear’ just because you don’t see them is straight up delusional… and yet folks in this thread are claiming this is the ‘only way’ to use this site. it isn’t.
We’re on the same page. The people who don’t get it I dont’ think ever will. But I’m glad I"m not the only one seeing how damaging and counter productive for us to think it’s ever a good idea to go around blocking anything we don’t like.
What a positive and hopeful message!
it’s not a message, it’s a description.
Just like with Reddit, you get the front page you choose, reflecting your own interests
But the places with the most content are places that are all reddit lite. Very safe well moderated communities. It’s like lemmy is a place for people who thought r/pics was too spicy. As the OP said, people here are very confrontational avoidant. And that isn’t good because we need to be confrontational if we ever want to build a place that can build left leaning communities. If we don’t, if we ignore the world right now, it is only inevitable that this place will also be gone. And this may be the last space we have for a long time after that.
after being here for almost 5 years, I haven’t seen much of that, because I’m not looking for it-- but if those are the places you seek, as I’ve said, those are the choices you make. stop blaming others for your own choices.
this place wasn’t made for you, specifically. you sound like a spoiled child when you complain that it’s not exactly as you like and make no effort to use it as intended: to customize the experience to your liking. and when you make bad faith arguments complaining that there is content here you don’t like (especially when you seem to be seeking it out), you’re not fooling anyone.
Now you attack me personally? Shit argument. You sound like the child here. I’m here to discuss the platform. Keep to that.
I didn’t make any personal attacks, but making a petty and hypocritical argument hardly makes your point, although it does prove mine
You are sticking your head in a hole in the sand, and blaming other people for not doing the same.
Why does it upset you that others talk about things outside of your personal experience? Or you feel the need to tell them to curate their feeds in the same way you do?
Again, you are the type of user I’m talking about. Perhaps that why you find my comments disagreeable and think I should ‘solve’ the problem by just ignoring it’s existence. Not everyone wants to stick their head the sand. I am interested in what is going in in the world around me. I’m sorry that offends you.
now you’re just writing random insults because you can’t back up any of your claims after I pointed out that your arguments make so sense.
It’s not a random insult. It’s a approach towards life that you have chosen that I do not share.
The world exist outside of me and my perceptions. A lot of people on lemmy have a very difficult time with this concept and default to solipsistic world view where nothing exists other than their curated internet feeds, and anyone who doesn’t live similarly is bad and stupid.
You can bang on all you want about whatever. Maybe you think religions is evil and bad… that doesn’t mean that billions of people on the planet don’t follow it.
no, i get the homepage the algorithm forces down my throat, despite my interests.
which is why i don’t use reddit or other social media platforms anymore.
your attitude is precise what i am calling out. I saw words you don’t like, so you want to dismiss it with personal attacks, because your petty need to dismiss and attack a viewpoint on things that makes you uncomfortable and doesn’t agree with your beliefs. for you ‘positive’ is things that only reflect your per-existing beliefs and biases, you’re just isolating yourself from the wider world.
lol, there’s no “algorithm” forcing anything. You see what you subscribe to. Stop blaming others for your own choices.
And pointing out that you’re wrong isn’t “a personal attack“— but calling me names because you don’t like that is. If you don’t care for that, perhaps you should think before you speak.
that’s not how the internet works dude. you are clinging to a belief that simple isn’t true.
but that’s pretty common on here, just like on reddit or real life. people cling to untruths because it makes them feel better or superior or something. Like using Linux is some form of social liberation or something… lol
But it is how the fediverse works dude. you really shouldn’t talk about stuff you don’t have at least a basic understanding of, at least while being as condescending as you are currently.
Lmao, like I need some Rando on Lemmy to tell me “how the Internet works“
Grow up kid
Again here you are minimizing the person you’re speaking with by calling them a kid.
This is suppose to be a place to discuss things. Avoid these attacks. Or just don’t come here if you can’t discuss topics without resorting to personal attacks.
There is no “algorithm” except if you sort by all, you get all, sorted by timestamp; if you choose “subscribed”, you get your subscribed communities, sorted by timestamp (both subject to “interesting” sorting when federation glitches out). It’s not like facebook or twitter where the “algorithm” is programmed to maximize engagement.
There was no personal attack in the completely true statement that in the fediverse, you get the front page YOU yourself choose, starting with choosing where you create your account because it defines what other servers your home instance connects to for federation.
Your understanding of the technical basis of the fediverse is lacking - and this is not a personal attack, it is what you publicly demonstrate.
Its the message people need here though. What are people here for?! Fucking bean posts, moth content?
Its like we’ve been given a Ferrari but we only use it to go get groceries.
The Fediverse’s small size makes it easier for social bubbles to form, IMO. Though there are two elements of its design that improve things slightly over Reddit; user blocking doesn’t disrupt the blocked user from continuing to participate in discussion, and both upvotes and downvotes are visible separately so you can tell when a comment or post is genuinely controversial.
Lemmy hasn’t grown more popular in the last year really. It’s fairly stagnant currently.
I can confirm this. Lemmy started 6 years ago, and the “programming” communities are still an empty desert. I know I (and we all) could submit more posts, but it hasn’t really changed since the beginning. Sad but true, but I still prefer this compared to reddit.
user activity is far more than it was a year ago. seems like the people that have joined more recently post a lot more.
Is it? It’s slightly up. It is a up a little bit more if you include Piefed.
I’ve been on fedi for 2.5 years. the past six months have seen a huge uptick in activity from my experience.
a year ago posts were rarely seeing 100s of comments. now dozens of posts per day are getting that.
i’ve also seen a ton more spam, AI content, and bot activity.
I don’t think the data plays this out.
https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats Lemmy has fallen by 10k in a year. Of course Piefed has increased it by about 6k, so it’s a net decline of about 4-5k.
that’s users. that’s not the volume of what they are posting. those are two entirely different metrics