inb4 “It was never meant to. We’re a Republic, not a direct democracy.”
A Republic implies that the elected officials endeavor to represent the will of the people. If you think that’s going on in America, you may need to schedule a trepanning procedure or something because some shit’s wrong with your brain.
Sure, but that’s like saying “communism definitely works, we just haven’t seen it done right yet” when it’s clear to outsiders that it’s meant to not work, in the exact way it’s not working, for the benefit of powerful elites as has been the purpose and product of nearly every human government to date. This whole “having a government” experiment is the longest running, most repeated, and frankly easiest scam mankind ever invented.
…I don’t think you know what “inb4” means because I feel like we’re making the same argument in a lot of ways.
but since we’re here anyway, I’m not an anarchist because a large, unorganized mass of well-intentioned people is easily wrecked by a smaller, organized mass of poorly-intentioned people. Creating an organized mass of well-intentioned people seems to be the ideal in that case. People are just flawed and we have to figure out how to work around that. We’re also still evolving (in this case, socially more than biologically, but that’s a really superior form of evolution in many cases). We’ve been living in societies of this scale for a very short period compared to our entire evolutionary history.
I wouldn’t really describe myself as a communist either, I haven’t read enough THEORY for that lol, but I think it’s more likely to work than anarchism. And we’re obviously watching capitalism fail for literally all life on Earth so that’s a foregone conclusion.
Organization is one thing. Hierarchy is another. Try doing the former without someone emerging to ensure the latter to their own benefit. I’m an anarchist, not an anorganist.
How do we organize millions-if-not-billions of people in a cooperative structure without having a system to it and recognizing that some people have skills that others do not? A really big, really lengthy conversation?
All we have to do is follow the same fractal scale as everything else that built up to us. Particles form molecules, DNA forms chromosomes, cells form organisms, organisms form social groups. We don’t all mash our bodies together to make one large human organism do we? Then why do we feel the need to do the same with our naturally small social bodies? Those bodies should instead be treated as cells of a body another step up the scale, and so on as needed.
Maybe electing people to have power over you isn’t really democracy? Like ever? Maybe democracy means you don’t need other people making decisions, but to work them the fuck out among yourselves?
Or maybe that’s the exact opposite of democracy, and by not voting blue no matter who I’m the worst kind of fascist. Who can say?
Never did.
Forgive the old internet phrase, but
inb4 “It was never meant to. We’re a Republic, not a direct democracy.”
A Republic implies that the elected officials endeavor to represent the will of the people. If you think that’s going on in America, you may need to schedule a trepanning procedure or something because some shit’s wrong with your brain.
Sure, but that’s like saying “communism definitely works, we just haven’t seen it done right yet” when it’s clear to outsiders that it’s meant to not work, in the exact way it’s not working, for the benefit of powerful elites as has been the purpose and product of nearly every human government to date. This whole “having a government” experiment is the longest running, most repeated, and frankly easiest scam mankind ever invented.
…I don’t think you know what “inb4” means because I feel like we’re making the same argument in a lot of ways.
but since we’re here anyway, I’m not an anarchist because a large, unorganized mass of well-intentioned people is easily wrecked by a smaller, organized mass of poorly-intentioned people. Creating an organized mass of well-intentioned people seems to be the ideal in that case. People are just flawed and we have to figure out how to work around that. We’re also still evolving (in this case, socially more than biologically, but that’s a really superior form of evolution in many cases). We’ve been living in societies of this scale for a very short period compared to our entire evolutionary history.
I wouldn’t really describe myself as a communist either, I haven’t read enough THEORY for that lol, but I think it’s more likely to work than anarchism. And we’re obviously watching capitalism fail for literally all life on Earth so that’s a foregone conclusion.
Organization is one thing. Hierarchy is another. Try doing the former without someone emerging to ensure the latter to their own benefit. I’m an anarchist, not an anorganist.
How do we organize millions-if-not-billions of people in a cooperative structure without having a system to it and recognizing that some people have skills that others do not? A really big, really lengthy conversation?
All we have to do is follow the same fractal scale as everything else that built up to us. Particles form molecules, DNA forms chromosomes, cells form organisms, organisms form social groups. We don’t all mash our bodies together to make one large human organism do we? Then why do we feel the need to do the same with our naturally small social bodies? Those bodies should instead be treated as cells of a body another step up the scale, and so on as needed.
Maybe electing people to have power over you isn’t really democracy? Like ever? Maybe democracy means you don’t need other people making decisions, but to work them the fuck out among yourselves?
Or maybe that’s the exact opposite of democracy, and by not voting blue no matter who I’m the worst kind of fascist. Who can say?
I think there are historians and such who have dedicated their lives to studying this shit that can say.
And they say you’re wrong.
You’re right. I was being ridiculous. VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO
Ah it looks like you’ve failed the “make an argument and attempt to defend it without strawmanning” challenge.
Sorry, better luck next time.
Straw men are a real thing that exists in the world. Sometimes, that’s what you’re dealing with.
Please tell me this comment was sarcastic.
If not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Reading your comment again, I’m struggling to figure out what you were even trying to mean.
Yes, that’s what I’m dealing with, with the post I replied to. That’s not a good thing, it means you don’t have a real argument.
I’m saying press ting your position as anything else would be dishonest. Some shit’s just made of straw for real-real.