Sure, but that’s like saying “communism definitely works, we just haven’t seen it done right yet” when it’s clear to outsiders that it’s meant to not work, in the exact way it’s not working, for the benefit of powerful elites as has been the purpose and product of nearly every human government to date. This whole “having a government” experiment is the longest running, most repeated, and frankly easiest scam mankind ever invented.
…I don’t think you know what “inb4” means because I feel like we’re making the same argument in a lot of ways.
but since we’re here anyway, I’m not an anarchist because a large, unorganized mass of well-intentioned people is easily wrecked by a smaller, organized mass of poorly-intentioned people. Creating an organized mass of well-intentioned people seems to be the ideal in that case. People are just flawed and we have to figure out how to work around that. We’re also still evolving (in this case, socially more than biologically, but that’s a really superior form of evolution in many cases). We’ve been living in societies of this scale for a very short period compared to our entire evolutionary history.
I wouldn’t really describe myself as a communist either, I haven’t read enough THEORY for that lol, but I think it’s more likely to work than anarchism. And we’re obviously watching capitalism fail for literally all life on Earth so that’s a foregone conclusion.
Organization is one thing. Hierarchy is another. Try doing the former without someone emerging to ensure the latter to their own benefit. I’m an anarchist, not an anorganist.
How do we organize millions-if-not-billions of people in a cooperative structure without having a system to it and recognizing that some people have skills that others do not? A really big, really lengthy conversation?
All we have to do is follow the same fractal scale as everything else that built up to us. Particles form molecules, DNA forms chromosomes, cells form organisms, organisms form social groups. We don’t all mash our bodies together to make one large human organism do we? Then why do we feel the need to do the same with our naturally small social bodies? Those bodies should instead be treated as cells of a body another step up the scale, and so on as needed.
Sure, but that’s like saying “communism definitely works, we just haven’t seen it done right yet” when it’s clear to outsiders that it’s meant to not work, in the exact way it’s not working, for the benefit of powerful elites as has been the purpose and product of nearly every human government to date. This whole “having a government” experiment is the longest running, most repeated, and frankly easiest scam mankind ever invented.
…I don’t think you know what “inb4” means because I feel like we’re making the same argument in a lot of ways.
but since we’re here anyway, I’m not an anarchist because a large, unorganized mass of well-intentioned people is easily wrecked by a smaller, organized mass of poorly-intentioned people. Creating an organized mass of well-intentioned people seems to be the ideal in that case. People are just flawed and we have to figure out how to work around that. We’re also still evolving (in this case, socially more than biologically, but that’s a really superior form of evolution in many cases). We’ve been living in societies of this scale for a very short period compared to our entire evolutionary history.
I wouldn’t really describe myself as a communist either, I haven’t read enough THEORY for that lol, but I think it’s more likely to work than anarchism. And we’re obviously watching capitalism fail for literally all life on Earth so that’s a foregone conclusion.
Organization is one thing. Hierarchy is another. Try doing the former without someone emerging to ensure the latter to their own benefit. I’m an anarchist, not an anorganist.
How do we organize millions-if-not-billions of people in a cooperative structure without having a system to it and recognizing that some people have skills that others do not? A really big, really lengthy conversation?
All we have to do is follow the same fractal scale as everything else that built up to us. Particles form molecules, DNA forms chromosomes, cells form organisms, organisms form social groups. We don’t all mash our bodies together to make one large human organism do we? Then why do we feel the need to do the same with our naturally small social bodies? Those bodies should instead be treated as cells of a body another step up the scale, and so on as needed.