To put into perspective: South Korea declared Martial Law during the end of 2024 which was short lived as their citizens were awake, not asleep (a similar thing occurred in 1980 that lasted until 1987) so they know what their parents have been through back then not letting it slide in modern times which was met with stiff resistance & protest from Gen Z Koreans.

Their president was impeached after he enacted it as he’s abusing his power via blocking legislators by using both law enforcement and the military averting them from entering their national assembly, including him ordering the arrest of both the judges and supreme court justices whilst illegally declaring martial law (all in which violate their constitution).

  • Passerby6497@lemmy.worldEnglish
    321·
    4 days ago

    It would be a massive shit show and would collapse rather quickly. Aside from how we’ve seen them ‘contain’ places like Portland, showing they don’t have the skills they’d need to do it on a small scale, they literally don’t have the manpower. From The Military Journal of Operations:

    In the Winter 1995 edition of Parameters, James Quinlivan wrote an article (‘Force Requirements in Stability Operations’) arguing that force ratios are the best method for determining the appropriate force requirement. Quinlivan determined that a force ratio of 20 troops per 1,000 of the population is required for successful stabilization, which he defined as “[creating] an environment orderly enough that most routine civil functions could be carried out.”[ii] While Quinlivan’s study included peaceful post-war occupations, counterinsurgencies, stabilization, humanitarian and peacekeeping operations, he was the first to advocate that force ratios based on a country’s population were the best predictor for a successful stability operation.

    For a population the size of the US at (rounding up to) 350M people, that requires 7M troops. Even dropping the 20% of people who don’t live in or around big cities, you’re still looking at 5.6M troops, and a fuckload of uncontrolled / uncontrollable land perfect for counter insurgency tactics. Given that the us has about 2.12M active and reserve troops, they’d have to more than double their ranks to be able to stand a chance at containing the urban areas of the US, and that’s not counting anything else they need to do.

    • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      11·
      4 days ago

      Let’s not forget as well that not all those active troops are going to likely to be deployed as they’re responsible for logistics and tech of the military which would be needed even more in such a situation.

      • Passerby6497@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        4 days ago

        Yep! I may not have been explicit enough, but yeah, the 5.6M troops is solely for peacekeeping, none of the ancillary work that has to be done in order to keep materiel flowing to where it’s needed.

        • CADmonkey@lemmy.world
          2·
          4 days ago

          What do you think, another 2-3x more for support roles? It’s been a while since I was in the military but I remember that most everyone was some sort of support for the various combat roles.

    • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
      5·
      4 days ago

      And that is assuming you can “control” 5.6 million troops that have to subjugate their own

  • lokalhorst@feddit.org
    15·
    4 days ago

    I don’t have a contribution because I do not live in the US but I read about martial law on Wikipedia and found this funny:

  • CADmonkey@lemmy.world
    9·
    4 days ago

    There just aren’t enough people in the military to subjugate 340 million people. Also, they seem to be dependent on machines that use unguarded infrastructure to operate.

  • Jhex@lemmy.world
    72·
    4 days ago

    Like any day when a non-white American is unlucky enough to have to deal with the Police