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    This is literally what makes people not vote. It’s telling them the Dems and Republicans are the same. Which isn’t true.

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      No, it’s telling them that our “labor party” is diametrically opposed to labor. Which is true.

      Union membership was over 40% in the 1970s, it’s now down to less than 10%.

      Our wages and benefits have fallen drastically for most workers in the past 50 years… we are now surpassed by EASTERN EUROPE.

      (Poland pays a bit less, but has many more benefits, for just one example. Paid maternity leave, vacation, health care… our “labor party” is an INTERNATIONAL EMBARRASSMENT)

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        You start off your assumptions on the entire wrong footing.

        There is no labor party in the US. There is no Christian or religious party. There isn’t any specific party.

        It’s individuals. There is more variety within the Democratic party to offer solutions than Republicans right now. That’s it. That’s why I vote Dem.

        Once they’re able to apply a single word to something and influence how you feel about it. You’re fuckin toast.

        You and everyone else here seem to be under the assumption Democrat means something. It doesn’t. Stop paying attention to parties, pay attention to individuals and weigh your options realistically. People, leftists especially, cry their eyes out when a politician isn’t exactly what they want.

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      Did you not read anything I fucking said? People WANT TO VOTE, but every time they DO, the DNC, which is supposed to be doing their fucking job, REFUSES TO DO IT. That’s why they’re all getting fucking primaried, which is exactly what you butthurt fucking liberals claim we should do, and yet you’re still acting as if we aren’t doing anything.

      As of RIGHT NOW, the centrist wing of the DNC causes the exact same harm as Republicans, because they are letting them do whatever they want without any actual, meaningful resistance. That makes them just as guilty. The solution isn’t to stop voting like you think this fucking comic is saying, it’s for the DNC to stop being a bunch of assholes and not doing anything with the votes they obtained through emotional manipulation.

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        This comic isn’t saying anything beyond the DNC tricks voters.

        That sentiment makes people not vote. I’ve seen it happen THREE TIMES now. The fact this meme even exists on this forum a few months before an election let’s me know it is absolutely intentional with a goal of harming voter turnout. If you don’t see that, you’re lying through your teeth.

        They’re literally all not getting primaried. The issues in the DNC are the old guard who is being replaced and some new comers(Fetterfuck) who are proving to not be what we need. There is a laundry list of fresh new DNC people who are definitely on the ball.

        Pointing out anything but the current success of the Democratic party is an attempt to not make people vote and you cannot convince me otherwise because I’VE SEEN IT HAPPEN THREE FUCKING TIMES NOW.

        It’s the whole blue maga shit, that’s not a real thing. There is no blue maga. Calling it that is an attempt to assert equivalency and dissuade voting.

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          This comic isn’t saying anything beyond the DNC tricks voters.

          The comic is right. The DNC does trick voters. They should stop.

          That sentiment makes people not vote.

          Yeah, it’s not the betrayal, it’s the people who aren’t happy with it.

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            But why don’t you guys understand this is harmful not helpful.

            This isn’t criticism, there is no healthy take away to consider. It is blanket propaganda with a goal that OP posts on here from reddit using a bot.

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              But why don’t you guys understand this is harmful not helpful.

              Why don’t you understand that the comic isn’t the problem instead of the behavior it correctly describes?

              This isn’t criticism, there is no healthy take away to consider.

              The takeaway that you don’t want to listen to is “stop betraying your voters.”

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                The comic is literally the same propaganda crap I’ve seen since 2015.

                That isn’t the takeaway lol. The takeaway to the intended audience is “Dem bad” I literally watched this sink the last election. Are you taking crazy pills??

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                    How do you differ propaganda and criticism?

                    I’d say criticism is eye opening, insightful, educates you and even probably presents solutions.

                    You’re right. This post definitely offers solutions 🙄

                    It’s got a silly message a child can interpret and walk away. It encapsulates a complex concept into a simple “Dem bad” motive. And literally read the comments, people are in here talking about not supporting the party. Don’t vote for them. They won’t help anyway.

                    OP literally posts this from reddit using a bot. He isn’t filtering the media, he doesn’t even care he’s just sending content here.

                    On top of that all. This criticism has been said for decades probably even longer. Nothing fresh here. Nothing worthy of thought.

                    It’s fucking propaganda.

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          If you think someone criticizing the genocide wing of the party makes people not vote then the party was too weak to survive anyways. If criticism makes candidates lose, then Trump would have never made it to the White House.

          Your anecdote doesn’t mean shit, you corporate bootlicking shill.

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            What the fuck are you even talking about? Ramblings of a bonehead

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      This is what makes people not vote when you force shit neoliberals as the candidate.

      If you don’t want your voters staying home, better get candidates that support the positions they do. Not genocide and excuses about the PARLIAMENTARIAN

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        So instead of showing the success of the DNC (New York City is a great example), Biden’s infrastructure push and ending of the war in the middle east.

        You’re an idiot if you can’t smell the propaganda posts like this push. If you think this is just a general criticism someone decided to have you’re a bonehead.

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          So instead of showing the success of the DNC (New York City is a great example)

          Centrists taking credit for the accomplishments of a candidate they opposed. Everyone remembers Gillibrand’s Islamophobic attacks against Mamdani.

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            Okay but Mamdani is still a democrat. That’s my point, it might sound dumb but people are this stupid. Grandma will see her grandson say Democrats are dumb and every age group in between will be less interested in voting for a democrat ever because they’re convinced Republicans are the best option and memes like this literally only reinforce that view.

            Criticism is fine. The last two decades Democrats haven’t been criticized, they’ve been villainized.

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              Okay but Mamdani is still a democrat.

              And centrist democrats continued to attack him even after he won the primary. The same people who screech “vote blue no matter who” showed their true colors the instant they didn’t get the sex pest they wanted.

              Criticism is fine. The last two decades Democrats haven’t been criticized, they’ve been villainized.

              A party that betrays its voters repeatedly over the course of decades is villainous. A party that refuses to stop selling weapons for genocide is villainous. Yes, the other party are also villains. Worse villains. Some people won’t vote for villains. Stop being villains and then you can whine about being villainized.

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                A party that also presents the only progressive candidates.

                Some people, entire factions of the Democratic party, aren’t villains. You’re lumping everything together because you are scared and uninformed. You lack the ability to look at things objectively

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                  a party that also presents the only progressive candidates

                  Plenty of candidates from the Greens and PSL.

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                    Oh you mean interestingly close to Russia Green and PSL party who both support Russian talking points on Russia?

                    The PSL supported the Crimean annexation by Russia and Jill Stein has only attacked Democrats and also supported Russian actions in Ukraine.

                    You people are dedicated to going off the cliff.

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                  A party that also presents the only progressive candidates.

                  A party that opposes progressive candidates harder than it opposes republicans.

                  Some people, entire factions of the Democratic party, aren’t villains.

                  Yes, but the DNC, as Lucy in the comic is labeled, are. The DNC keeps interfering in primaries. The DNC keeps expecting us to accept “lesser evil” candidates that get more evil each time.

                  You don’t want to hear anything that might prompt the electorate to vote for better candidates.

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                    Why wouldn’t I wanna hear that? What’s my motive here?

                    The DNC to be frank is fucking clueless. It only wants money, it chose Hillary and Kamala because of financial incentive. But also within the party are the only individuals willing and openly stating how election funding needs to change.

                    Obama tries to get healthcare. Biden tries to get infrastructure. Both revive a struggling economy. Both had an America only mentality and as much as people wanna try to sell you that they were warmongers or imperialists, as presidents they were very domestic focused. Most international policy and issue came to their feet or existed before them.

                    Most women, people of color and half decent politicians are Democrats.

                    But this mentality that Dem bad, is what loses elections every time because nobody will discuss success within the party. They focus on the bad. So the establishment which chases money and decides the DNC’s move relies on data that shows a wishy washy base that will turn at the drop of the hat and is endlessly unsatisfied inside a broken system, and so they head to corporate interests.

                    It’s a carrot on the stick game. But instead of being a mother fucker and snatching that carrot out of the air, which people can do historically, leftists and liberals and Dem voters piss their fuckin pants and kick sand and cry and don’t vote next election, or consider a candidate unworthy for not being perfect or fitting the mould.

                    Meanwhile Republicans get a consistent vote and corporate support. Few fractions in party goals. Trucking forward continuously. Because their voters are easier to satisfy and they don’t really have to rely on the majority to vote, they actually just need them to note vote. So what do they do? “Dem bad” every election. And you help that by not having the confidence to express a neutral opinion and see both good and bad and the cause and effect.