• deft@lemmy.wtf
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    2 days ago

    So instead of showing the success of the DNC (New York City is a great example), Biden’s infrastructure push and ending of the war in the middle east.

    You’re an idiot if you can’t smell the propaganda posts like this push. If you think this is just a general criticism someone decided to have you’re a bonehead.

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      So instead of showing the success of the DNC (New York City is a great example)

      Centrists taking credit for the accomplishments of a candidate they opposed. Everyone remembers Gillibrand’s Islamophobic attacks against Mamdani.

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        Okay but Mamdani is still a democrat. That’s my point, it might sound dumb but people are this stupid. Grandma will see her grandson say Democrats are dumb and every age group in between will be less interested in voting for a democrat ever because they’re convinced Republicans are the best option and memes like this literally only reinforce that view.

        Criticism is fine. The last two decades Democrats haven’t been criticized, they’ve been villainized.

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          Okay but Mamdani is still a democrat.

          And centrist democrats continued to attack him even after he won the primary. The same people who screech “vote blue no matter who” showed their true colors the instant they didn’t get the sex pest they wanted.

          Criticism is fine. The last two decades Democrats haven’t been criticized, they’ve been villainized.

          A party that betrays its voters repeatedly over the course of decades is villainous. A party that refuses to stop selling weapons for genocide is villainous. Yes, the other party are also villains. Worse villains. Some people won’t vote for villains. Stop being villains and then you can whine about being villainized.

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            1 day ago

            A party that also presents the only progressive candidates.

            Some people, entire factions of the Democratic party, aren’t villains. You’re lumping everything together because you are scared and uninformed. You lack the ability to look at things objectively

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              20 hours ago

              a party that also presents the only progressive candidates

              Plenty of candidates from the Greens and PSL.

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                20 hours ago

                Oh you mean interestingly close to Russia Green and PSL party who both support Russian talking points on Russia?

                The PSL supported the Crimean annexation by Russia and Jill Stein has only attacked Democrats and also supported Russian actions in Ukraine.

                You people are dedicated to going off the cliff.

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                    17 hours ago

                    Literally strawman and not what I’m saying. You must’ve taken a short bus to school.

                    The ironic part is you’re actually doing this, you literally can’t have reasonable discussions because “Dem bad”.

                    Bonehead.

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              A party that also presents the only progressive candidates.

              A party that opposes progressive candidates harder than it opposes republicans.

              Some people, entire factions of the Democratic party, aren’t villains.

              Yes, but the DNC, as Lucy in the comic is labeled, are. The DNC keeps interfering in primaries. The DNC keeps expecting us to accept “lesser evil” candidates that get more evil each time.

              You don’t want to hear anything that might prompt the electorate to vote for better candidates.

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                Why wouldn’t I wanna hear that? What’s my motive here?

                The DNC to be frank is fucking clueless. It only wants money, it chose Hillary and Kamala because of financial incentive. But also within the party are the only individuals willing and openly stating how election funding needs to change.

                Obama tries to get healthcare. Biden tries to get infrastructure. Both revive a struggling economy. Both had an America only mentality and as much as people wanna try to sell you that they were warmongers or imperialists, as presidents they were very domestic focused. Most international policy and issue came to their feet or existed before them.

                Most women, people of color and half decent politicians are Democrats.

                But this mentality that Dem bad, is what loses elections every time because nobody will discuss success within the party. They focus on the bad. So the establishment which chases money and decides the DNC’s move relies on data that shows a wishy washy base that will turn at the drop of the hat and is endlessly unsatisfied inside a broken system, and so they head to corporate interests.

                It’s a carrot on the stick game. But instead of being a mother fucker and snatching that carrot out of the air, which people can do historically, leftists and liberals and Dem voters piss their fuckin pants and kick sand and cry and don’t vote next election, or consider a candidate unworthy for not being perfect or fitting the mould.

                Meanwhile Republicans get a consistent vote and corporate support. Few fractions in party goals. Trucking forward continuously. Because their voters are easier to satisfy and they don’t really have to rely on the majority to vote, they actually just need them to note vote. So what do they do? “Dem bad” every election. And you help that by not having the confidence to express a neutral opinion and see both good and bad and the cause and effect.

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                  Why wouldn’t I wanna hear that? What’s my motive here?

                  You like the party as it is and don’t want it to improve.

                  It’s a carrot on the stick game. But instead of being a mother fucker and snatching that carrot out of the air, which people can do historically, leftists and liberals and Dem voters piss their fuckin pants and kick sand and cry and don’t vote next election

                  Progressives overwhelmingly vote blue no matter who. You just don’t ever want the party to stop moving to the right, so you lie about them.

                  or consider a candidate unworthy for not being perfect or fitting the mould.

                  We’re tired of betrayal. You never will be.

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                    You’re literally insane throwing such accusations lmfao.

                    Pointless talking to someone so hostile who cannot even meet a middle ground and admit something about the party is positive. Weak minded and easily falling for Facebook tier propaganda.

                    “I depicted myself as the chad and therefore you have lost” ass nerd.