• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    The problem is that they keep alienating their voters and losing to fascists, but refuse to ever change.

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      3 days ago

      Oh yeah. Solid agree. That is a problem.

      Hopefully either they get their shit together or, by some miracle, there’s a viable third party.

      But the shit sandwich is that yeah, they are the only political party with any weight that can go against Republicans.

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        3 days ago

        Hopefully either they get their shit together or, by some miracle, there’s a viable third party.

        Hopefully the weight of the party is no longer sufficient to keep progressives from winning the primaries the party still permits.

        Because centrists are never gonna change, at least not for the better.

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          If the weight of the Democratic party isn’t sufficient anymore, it’s because Republicans have taken control over everything. And since they are being the fascist party, I doubt they would let any progressive party gain enough ground to do anything after that.

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            2 days ago

            If the weight of the Democratic party isn’t sufficient anymore, it’s because Republicans have taken control over everything.

            The weight of the party was not sufficient to stop Mamdani. And yet Republicans do not control New York City.

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                2 days ago

                And the “you don’t like the centrist wing so you must be a 3rd party guy” assumption rears its ugly head.

                The party fought against Mamdani. They failed. Sex pest Cuomo lost.

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                  Ok but you can’t say “all Democrats bad” then when someone points out a Democrat you like say “that one doesn’t count”

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      3 days ago

      Two things should happen.

      1. The Democrat party should change.

      2. Voters should rub brain cells together and vote for far and away the better option, even if that option is awful at promoting themselves and adapting to changes in their base.

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      3 days ago

      I totally agree, they should stop alienating the majority of voters by trying to appeal to radicals that actively smear the party.

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        3 days ago

        Democrats will never accept that they cannot win republican votes by betraying the left.

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          First of all, they don’t betray the left on 99% of issues, it’s just that populist leftists consider anything less than maximal alignment “betrayal”.

          Second, Trump’s support is plummeting thanks to his disastrous administration, Democrats are poised to sweep the midterms, and it’s a safe bet the next 2 years will be even worse and result in a win in 2028. The slopulist voting block can shove it tbh, they aren’t needed.

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            First of all, they don’t betray the left on 99% of issues,

            Don’t lie. They betray the left on wages, worker protections, immigration, trans rights, cannabis legalization, healthcare, wall street reform, police reform, abortion, the Iraq war, the bank bailouts, childcare, family leave, voting rights, I can keep going but you get my point.

            Not only do they do all of that shit, they support an unconscionable genocide in Gaza.

            Not only that, they do everything they can to ratfuck any progressive candidate.

            The slopulist voting block can shove it tbh, they aren’t needed.

            The genocide wing said that in 2024 and now they blame the left.

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              Brah, Biden was out their saving pension funds, capping healthcare costs for diabetics, strengthening Medicare, and conditioning grant funding on providing good working conditions, wages, and affordable child care. He spent trillions and put worker protections and benefits into everything he passed.

              The guy was the most pro-worker US president I’ve ever seen.

              I actually don’t think you can keep going tbh, because it really looks like you scraped the barrel for every grievance and buzzword you have. Plus you mentioned Wall Street reform and bank bailouts separately, which seems like padding. Half of them prove my point because the Republicans are to blame.

              As for Gaza, I think you are a disgusting person for bringing it up in this conversation considering how many Palestinians would likely still be alive if Harris had won. Imagine trying to both sides with that issue of all things.

              And as far as I’m concerne, nobody needs to “rat fuck” progressives because they are perfectly capable of eating themselves at every opportunity.

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                As for Gaza, I think you are a disgusting person for bringing it up in this conversation considering how many Palestinians would likely still be alive if Harris had won. Imagine trying to both sides with that issue of all things.

                And I think you’re a disgusting person for carrying water for two genocidal pieces of shit long after the election is over. If Harris had put some daylight between herself and Biden on this issue, she might have won and then we wouldn’t be supporting genocide and we wouldn’t have expanded into Venezuela and Iran. But centrists considered that an acceptable price to pay for not having to lie about not wanting genocide for a few months.

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                3 days ago

                my dude, 2 or 3 people were most of these

                My dude, democrats always find just enough turncoats. If we’re talking percentages here, legislators defect at a higher rate than the party accepts from voters.

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                3 days ago

                I’m half convinced crab is a kremlin bot, his entire comment history is just don’t vote for democrats.

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                  2 days ago

                  I do get a sense that English isn’t his first language, but yea, he’s like a fire hose of divisive blackpill rhetoric.

                  I don’t even think the ml’s would think it’s impressive enough to brigade, because as sloppy as they are, their talking points are usually more specific then this blind assertion and a laundry list of buzzwords.

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            3 days ago

            You are so correct. Sorry you are getting down voted into oblivion. This place is full of people who read memes instead of long form news.