My grandma litterly said “i cant hear it anymore”
Because it’s a tactic used to influence and control people. Heres how it goes…some outlets don’t just argue climate policy, they moralize it. When it becomes ‘if not for the planet, what will you do it for,’ and it turns into a loyalty test.
And if you’re religious, you might also believe that God has the power to address global challenges like climate issues, just as He restored the earth after Noah’s flood.
Because it’s all about money.
I’m worried about Mao’ist style short sighted policy, and if we cut off oil then it will destroy the poor in society who cant afford an increase in their heating and gas. Get the funding for nuclear so you have baseload power first, dont just cut off oil companies.
Different approach: tax the rich and pay the worker. Renewables are financially sustainable then.
I’ll speak for the voices I hear around me because I hear this all the time in my conservative area:
Climate has demonstrably always been changing Our region has been cooler than average for all of the 2000s People don’t trust when the solution is always “give us more money and power”
curious about how exactly is advocating for climate change awareness asking for more money and power?
Behold! Your MUTHA SUPREME
Megatron we said no mother jokes!!
“I’ll have you know my great-great-great-great*108 ancestor turned into oil recently, have some damn respect for my deep family history!” /s
Propaganda works. Is why.
I get that this post is a bit of a satirical question, but as a serious answer to the question. I think it’s because for a lot of people it is impossible (or feels impossible) to not consume fossil fuel products. If we then label it as bad then we feel like we are thus the bad guy while we feel powerless to not be that.
Basically people are forced to be something they don’t want to be thus to cope they make it their personality because that gives a sense of control over choices we really do not have a say in.
IMO you’re much too charitable. I think these are the reasons (at least for American conservatives), roughly in order of what I consider to be the most to least sympathetic:
- A fondness and nostalgia for fossil power. To be clear I think if this is the reason you’re supporting fossil fuel use when lives are on the line you’re crazy, especially when museums and motorsport categories for older engine technologies can (and already do) exist, but I can at least understand it.
- Anxiety about change. While there are lots of reasons to think that renewables will put us in a better position than fossil fuels (they’re cheaper, can be less centralized, and better insulated against geopolitical instability) a lot of people are very anxious about things like EV range and grid instability. If they’re a “low information voter” or have been fed a steady diet of oil industry propaganda then they probably have a very exaggerated view of these issues and a very poor understanding of how the world works.
- The entire idea of anthropogenic climate change and things like a circular economy directly contradicts the Christian worldview they’re operating under. For one they don’t believe in climate change for the same reason they don’t believe in herd immunity from vaccines or systemic racism. Cumulative effects, dynamic systems, and tipping points aren’t part of how they think the world works. Secondly, they view the world as something their god gave to humanity to conquer, dominate, and exploit. Telling them that they can’t suck the world dry and throw away the husk come judgment day is tantamount to telling them their religion is fake.
- For a portion of the population the above three attitudes have metastasized into conspiracy theories and fascist ideologies. Things like a belief that “15 minute cities” means they will be put into open air prisons, or that wanting to reduce resource consumption means that they will be subjected to population control so that black people can replace white people. I don’t feel like writing a giant comment examining the core of the reactionary mind, but suffice it to say that things like language and truth are very fluid for them. If something makes them feel bad then it must be bad, literally and physically. The conspiracy theories are created to justify the feelings.
- In addition to the above plenty of people want to hurt others. The fact that large powerful vehicles kill people, the fact that they’re loud, inconvenient for others, and spew black smoke, makes them more appealing. The fact that oil use creates wars that kill children is a bonus. All of this is tough and manly. It makes them feel good.
Do not, my friends, become addicted to oil. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!
but i neeeeed my vitamin e. and my olives.
Also, for many, their livelihood and how they provide for their family is directly tied to fossil fuels and the price of fossil fuels.
Also, for
manynearly all, their livelihood…Almost everyone lives by moving vehicles with fossil fuels, making or moving petrochemical plastics, growing things with fertilizer sourced from oil processing, etc…
i mean we need both the nitrate/nitrite i forget which and the phosphate fertilizer to maintain a good healthy soil and i think the shit is the phosphate one.
Many people have as an immutable axiom “I am a good person”
When you suggest they are doing something bad, like contributing to climate change, this clashes with that axiom.
That clash causes discomfort. Most people are, frankly, lazy cowards. They could accept that they are not being a good person all the time, and update their axiom. But that’s scary and feels bad. They could also try to do something about climate change (or whatever the topic is. see also: veganism), but that’s also hard. It’s far easier to just lash out at the source of discomfort.
The oatmeal did a comic on basically this topic: https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe
The back-fire effect explains why so many people love to watch Fox News, even when they’ve admitted in court that they’re not news and no rational person would take them seriously. Reinforcing beliefs through propaganda is comforting - and no amount logic or fact checking is going to change it.
… yeah we’re basically fucked as a species.
Veganism is not a solution to climate change. First anything that requires everybody to agree on one solution is always going to be a non-starter. But also veganism just doesn’t work for everybody, like myself, I became so malnourished that I nearly died. It’s simply not possible for everybody to be vegan and still get all of the nutrients they need. Especially in this economy.
So, to clarify, veganism was a separate example of things that cause a strong emotional reaction.
Second of all, I don’t really believe you but I don’t especially care.
“in this economy” veganism is cheaper than vegetarianism is cheaper than omnivorism
If you became malnourished you weren’t eating vegan, you were eating junk food.
But to actually address your point, we don’t need everyone to be vegan, or for those that do to be vegan consistently. Even cutting consumption of animal products by a third would have a huge impact.
my dude, meat is already just a seasoning in my meals unless we’re doing BBQ. let people pick their own diets. they might have specific reasons that the one you’ve decided is best doesn’t work. i end up in the hospital rather frequently if i try to eat vegan. it really did not go well and the solutions we could think up to keep me out of the hospital were to either take out the foods with nutrients (because of course those were the ones putting me in the hospital) or to add in cheeses, eggs, and meats. i’ve always kind of had these two bucket list goals: first, to eat one of everything and rise to the top of the food chain, and second, to stay out of the hospital. so like, veganism really didn’t seem morally compatible with those life goals and i instead eat a lot of delicious delicious gyro and empanada (from the empanada bear)
Right you know everything about my life and what my nutritionist and I talked about at the time. Yeah… I fucking hate responses like this.
For the record I became malnourished because it was impossible to afford the number of calories I needed without meat or dairy. And even though that was some years ago I can pretty much guarantee you that that’s still going to be the case in small towns like the one I was in at the time. Veganism is only cheaper than anything else if you don’t need 4000 calories a day to stay alive and have options that aren’t Walmart to shop at.
it was impossible to afford the number of calories I needed without meat or dairy.
… Because meat and dairy are massively subsidized. If we wanted veganism to be a part of mitigating the climate crisis then it would obviously involve changes in economic policy.
I don’t think they’re lazy cowards - or rather, I think “lazy cowards” is something lazy cowards say to explain away lazy cowards they disagree with - I think they grow up in an environment where admitting fault or even suspending judgment is something that will get you attacked or taken advantage of. Whether by parents, teachers, classmates, friends, politicians, cops, priests, or gods.
Children aren’t great at lying. If they don’t believe they are a good person, people will notice that self-doubt and take advantage. Believing you are axiomatically good is safer, protecting you from bullies of all kinds who are looking for someone who won’t resist being punished.
Properly dealing with climate change often requires a major lifestyle change that is largely outside of people’s control. It’s natural that people who haven’t processed their childhood schemas would respond to it according to those schemas, and that for people whose childhood schemas are centered around avoiding responsibility they respond by stall tactics like pretending climate change isn’t real so people waste time proving it to them.
“lazy cowards” is something lazy cowards say
The yt channel Technology Connections made a video on solar and made a great point that stuck with me
If oil was so precious and valuable and important why do we light so much of it on fire?
I mean, I think it’s precious for its ability to be lit on fire
We still need things like grease, lubricants, and plastics. We rely heavily on oil products that are not burned and oil is a finite resource, yet we like to light most of it on fire anyway even though we have energy alternatives that are more cost effective in the long run.
If you love public sanitation so much, why do you literally shit on it?
Here comes the wind power: Woosh
All jokes aside what an amazing engineering marvel!
Like lead pipes!
Everyone likes palaeontology until it turns a profit, smh my head
Shaking my head my head
RIP in peace ATM machines
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I’m about to start my own political party and call it “The Gas Price Party’”. Since it’s the only issue that matters for 75% of the population, I bet I could get elected just because of the name.
The rent is too damn high!
And property taxes! I hope renters know they’re paying property taxes too.
That’s exactly why we want to keep gas price low, so you can give the money you saved to your landlord.
I like this guy’s words!
Enough of these retarded woke politicians, we say it as it is: High gas price is gay!
Gas prices still come second to “owning the libs”
This describes it pretty well:
