If we exclude elon and grock that is behind subscribtion now ? Is it really worse than others like Instagram etc I agree Fediverse initiative is superior but compare to commercial mass used social network is it worse ?
If we exclude elon and grock that is behind subscribtion now ? Is it really worse than others like Instagram etc I agree Fediverse initiative is superior but compare to commercial mass used social network is it worse ?
If we consider upvote act like then it s no different then Lemmy in term of functionality. I dont feel the follower count has this intrensic value when u can ratio account 1000x time bigger when they said obvious BS. About inherently bad design I would mostly consider the character limit than boil down most conversation to limited expression and explanation
you aren’t the only one to have noticed this, it’s been a discussion quite a bit here. fediverse Instances are trying to avoid some of the hierarchical forces that the voting structure brings but it requires an active effort and reddit in the end could not resist. if we’re only contrasting this to twitter though, no this is leagues different.
the voting system has its problems but it’s a consensus machine. Not exactly a 1:1 equivalent of a follower count because we’re not always supposed to take in to account who is speaking. the ideal outcome is people voting responsibly and engaging with all comments as impartially as would be natural. fediverse helps by mixing up the default comment sort so your first opinion isn’t automatically forming from the already highest upvoted comment. if we were only giving votes based on who we follow, that wouldn’t have been an issue to address
Hell, I rarely notice who posts something (post or comment).
I’ve sometimes found myself upvoting someone in a thread that I disagree with earlier in the same thread.
that’s how it’s supposed to go ideally right? I admit I cheat a little and use Voyager tags to warn myself of when I might be talking to someone prone to pedantic debates but I usually try to ignore the username. I kind of hope people do the same for me too
i agree it s just ihave an, hard time to consider follower count as a power mechanism the way you describe it. Obviously it hold power but it s not as strong as you suggest imo. To me it it often look like as it was different conversation on different instance wich ppl holding different veiwpoint. And yes on a topic u can have someone with massive follower that hold a view that you deem false or bad but that doesnt mean they are right cause they have more like. At least that s how i feel. just to illustrate my point it would be like one post that hold libertarian view had a lot of upvote and somebody on another instance that s more socialist will answer it/repost it with more upvote. That doesnt necessarly reflect wich is right
Oh. Okay so the value of it is meta, like outside of the interaction visibly happening. You see two people beefing? Their follower counts are irrelevant to each other and most likely to anyone watching regarding who they think is correct. But the fact that the beef is seen is reliant on them having followers. The fact that they encountered each other relied on them having enough mutual followers to cross paths. And the beef will then let them capture a greater audience if they perform their postures adequately. The follower count is the currency in the background, mostly unseen but responsible for what you see in your feed
Maybe that seems similar to that discussion you’re referring to but the voting approach here isn’t dictating what you see, just kind of more the order you see it in.
I see the point u making but it s kinda the same on twitter. now by default it s not the most liked that u will see first, it s the more likely to please u that u will see first ( u can revert it but the default is this way) I agree with you but it kinda sound like samll details and not really big difference.
Sometime yes sometime no. Like i said me having a little follower count was abble to ratio easilly account 1000x bigger than mine simply cause they said stupid shit and the point wasnt any of the follower count just what was said.
What s weird is the 2 system are different and with the fediverse and the power of open source anybody can comme with a better solution yet we dont have the one solution that is far better
That’s kind of what we’re observing, though. You would think that the difference in follower counts was negligible in that interaction but you dunking on another account above you is also part of the intended use, which is probably why you got to ratio them. If you hadn’t contributed a dunk-reply it probably wouldn’t have gotten the same kind of attention.
I think you should look a little closer here at what happens here at fedi. Our conversation for example is kind of how positive and pattern forming types of long discussions go. We’re not going to get retweeted and anybody else who might have been reading probably dropped off a few replies back. But we’re still talking and I can tell we’re actually reading each other’s replies so something is going correct. Not algorithm-explosive but definitely positive. Also your post is at positive score now with lots of thoughtful people in here.
Keep observing, things don’t go loud here but being viral obviously kind of sucked on twitter and got co-opted on reddit. So it’s obviously not all it’s hyped up to be. There’s an actual beefing comm to but that’s also low-key, the stakes are just the various comm operators banning each other from their own various little islands. It’s riveting stuff
i mean just cause i ask a question that s percieve against the value held by the majority i got dislike on stuff that isnt even link to the question or even is supported by the majority view here ( . Not complaining i dont care but i have a good idea of the majority position here on most subject. ) like why ppl should dowvote this https://lemmy.world/post/45838935/23315521 other than elon bad ?
To me at least what your describing isnt inherent to the tool but the usage you do with. I’m able to have a lot of nice conversation with ppl on twitter. Most of the time it only depends on the tone of my answer. Even yeah in multiple case i have answer that s just rage bait or stupid as possible but to me thoses only depend on my restrain and i dont often engage with them or it s for my divertissement.
Do you mean with this post? There have been downvotes but the discussions are positive. Also you have to give it time, things take a while to get exposure.
You’re right about that, a lot of the good results we can see here is from good actors behaving well. But that’s kind of that nature of it. The best you can hope for is an environment where it’s possible for good actors to win, which reddit and twitter are no longer or never were.
If you know the difference between having restraint and not, then it seems like you’re already capable of having the online experience you want to have, no? Those skills have great results here
i meant with the one i linked. It s a post that just talk about quitting the zuck empire and lot of ppl use whatsapp
I will say it really depends on the subject. My experience here is mostly no less different from reddit tbh. On reddit my most stupid ban was for saying that supporting hamas wich is an terrorist organisation that does crime against humanity was wrong. On lemmy it was for saying, calling your political opponent facist/nazi doesn’t give you the right to kill them in the street. But that s the game and im happy to contribute to foss project and the idea of decentralized authority/internet.
But the point of my post wasnt really to try to diss lemmy even with his default on the technicality i think it s the best we have rn. My post was more aimed to know if toward the elen musk hate the twitter hate made sens. And i feel it s mostly elon musk hate. Recently one emulator had a great realeases with lot of feature and the most upvoted post on lemmy about it was how it was bad they annouce it on twitter. And saying just yeah they announce it on the platform with the half a billion of monthly active users and not one with 10 or 100 less than that is the most sensible option wasnt eaylly apreciated.