If we exclude elon and grock that is behind subscribtion now ? Is it really worse than others like Instagram etc I agree Fediverse initiative is superior but compare to commercial mass used social network is it worse ?

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    That’s kind of what we’re observing, though. You would think that the difference in follower counts was negligible in that interaction but you dunking on another account above you is also part of the intended use, which is probably why you got to ratio them. If you hadn’t contributed a dunk-reply it probably wouldn’t have gotten the same kind of attention.

    I think you should look a little closer here at what happens here at fedi. Our conversation for example is kind of how positive and pattern forming types of long discussions go. We’re not going to get retweeted and anybody else who might have been reading probably dropped off a few replies back. But we’re still talking and I can tell we’re actually reading each other’s replies so something is going correct. Not algorithm-explosive but definitely positive. Also your post is at positive score now with lots of thoughtful people in here.

    Keep observing, things don’t go loud here but being viral obviously kind of sucked on twitter and got co-opted on reddit. So it’s obviously not all it’s hyped up to be. There’s an actual beefing comm to but that’s also low-key, the stakes are just the various comm operators banning each other from their own various little islands. It’s riveting stuff

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      i mean just cause i ask a question that s percieve against the value held by the majority i got dislike on stuff that isnt even link to the question or even is supported by the majority view here ( . Not complaining i dont care but i have a good idea of the majority position here on most subject. ) like why ppl should dowvote this https://lemmy.world/post/45838935/23315521 other than elon bad ?

      To me at least what your describing isnt inherent to the tool but the usage you do with. I’m able to have a lot of nice conversation with ppl on twitter. Most of the time it only depends on the tone of my answer. Even yeah in multiple case i have answer that s just rage bait or stupid as possible but to me thoses only depend on my restrain and i dont often engage with them or it s for my divertissement.

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        Do you mean with this post? There have been downvotes but the discussions are positive. Also you have to give it time, things take a while to get exposure.

        You’re right about that, a lot of the good results we can see here is from good actors behaving well. But that’s kind of that nature of it. The best you can hope for is an environment where it’s possible for good actors to win, which reddit and twitter are no longer or never were.

        If you know the difference between having restraint and not, then it seems like you’re already capable of having the online experience you want to have, no? Those skills have great results here

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          Do you mean with this post? There have been downvotes but the discussions are positive. Also you have to give it time, things take a while to get exposure.

          i meant with the one i linked. It s a post that just talk about quitting the zuck empire and lot of ppl use whatsapp

          If you know the difference between having restraint and not, then it seems like you’re already capable of having the online experience you want to have, no? Those skills have great results here

          I will say it really depends on the subject. My experience here is mostly no less different from reddit tbh. On reddit my most stupid ban was for saying that supporting hamas wich is an terrorist organisation that does crime against humanity was wrong. On lemmy it was for saying, calling your political opponent facist/nazi doesn’t give you the right to kill them in the street. But that s the game and im happy to contribute to foss project and the idea of decentralized authority/internet.

          But the point of my post wasnt really to try to diss lemmy even with his default on the technicality i think it s the best we have rn. My post was more aimed to know if toward the elen musk hate the twitter hate made sens. And i feel it s mostly elon musk hate. Recently one emulator had a great realeases with lot of feature and the most upvoted post on lemmy about it was how it was bad they annouce it on twitter. And saying just yeah they announce it on the platform with the half a billion of monthly active users and not one with 10 or 100 less than that is the most sensible option wasnt eaylly apreciated.

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            Okay, yeah I guess it makes sense to announce a product on a platform where there’s more people. But the thing I’ve been trying to get at is people were kind of realizing twitter was bad before Elon showed up. Like, we were all pretty enamored with the social callout for way too long but then again we also thought making our profile pictures black squares was the same thing as creating social change.

            I haven’t knocked anyone who stays on the nazi app for business, but it really is a dumb way to spend leisure time compared to a smaller place with voting. Or better yet just not being online

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              nazi app

              that s higly dismissive i feel. On wich app do u have the pope your country leader and most of your influencer/video creator ?

              but it really is a dumb way to spend leisure time compared to a smaller place with voting

              Only based on your algorithm’s recommendation and usage i feel. On lemmy in 3~5 min a day i have seen eveything interesting to me so what i do if i have that scrolling need ? go on tiktok ?

              Or better yet just not being online

              Yeah it s better to take a bicycle rather than a car but that s not a good solution for 99% of the ppl

              I mean social network arent bad by default but they all have the default of having the capabilmity of being bad even if u have an unlimited type of control of them. Quite a challenge, but the solution saying just dont use it doesnt really answerr thes question.

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                If the place is generating money for a nazi, it’s a nazi app. I can’t help it if the pope (who is only very recently by sad coincidence a voice of reason) thinks it’s a good place to make their presence. Most of my people have all left except one and she’s kind of a problem anyway so we just take what we can.

                Fediverse can last you way longer than 5 minutes of scrolling if you’re spacing your activity out and actually interacting. My terminally online ass is way too present and I’ve got plenty to do. Have you looked at any instances besides lemmy? there’s like an actually good piracy comm here. and so many people who will just teach you stuff for nothing. it’s great! bunch of them helped me resurrect a dead ROM collection torrent just for the crack of it.

                Look, I’m probably the worst person to be taking this from but social media is 100% killing us, no joke. I’m just advocating for the one that doesn’t reward you for fighting people or giving MAGA free adcents

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                  wow.

                  If the place is generating money for a nazi, it’s a nazi app

                  yeah and if u help a nazi own buisness then u are a nazi like the most prominent nazi figures of our century like berny sander aoc clinton etc. That’s a quick fallacy that doesn any true weight irl. The same way 95% of irl ppl wont call elon musk a nazi. A dumb billionaire, technofacist even yeah. But nazi really ?

                  I can’t help it if the pope (who is only very recently by sad coincidence a voice of reason)

                  Just by curisity what s the pope have said in the past that wasnt reasonable ? and why just recently he became a voice of reason ? Can u explain it without mentioning American external politics ? If not i feel it s likely you are really opinionated on that subject and not really objective.

                  Most of my people

                  I mean i dont necessarly need a place to have my ppl or worse only them, the opposite i prefer. Hate the echochamber effect. Also the interraction except if based on personal relation are often meaningless

                  Fediverse can last you way longer than 5 minutes of scrolling if you’re spacing your activity out and actually interacting. My terminally online ass is way too present and I’ve got plenty to do. Have you looked at any instances besides lemmy? there’s like an actually good piracy comm here. and so many people who will just teach you stuff for nothing. it’s great! bunch of them helped me resurrect a dead ROM collection torrent just for the crack of it.

                  Well i have check some of them. Too little trafic and the subject are too much similar and quite often the same as the day before. Diversity of opinions really matter for a social network. Twitter could be even more dogshit bluesky will never surpass it bc of it. It s ideologcailly capture. U have this effect here too, just less prononced and with the federation u can escape it so less an issue.

                  I’m just advocating for the one that doesn’t reward you for fighting people or giving MAGA free adcents

                  I really wanted this conv to not derail on a my political opinion are the only morale right to hold all the other are bad. But here we are. At least it renforce my opinion that ppl having issue with twitter is only based on elon musk. Have a good day

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                    Looks like you’ve been here for nine months. That should have been long enough to get a temperature read on people’s sentiments towards establishment groups who work with fascists. I’m really not the guy to raise an eyebrow if that flabbergasted you, this is a very tame take compared to the woke-olympics that actually happen on platform we’re talking about.

                    I mean, if you really want to immerse yourself in diverse and edgy opinions to avoid scary echochambers, 4chan is right over there. Not like anyone here is telling you what to think, we were just talking about sane-alternatives to twitter. As in things that don’t incentivise you to fight.

                    Plz don’t quote me on that “my ppl” thing, you know I cringed as soon as I sent that. Everyone knows nobody is “my people”