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Yeah one of them was Debian 12 for sure.

I mean I updated my servers and some of them on LTS releases that were not the very latest one were still vulnerable after a reboot. Hence I disabled the module on those servers. So it’s worth checking your version definitely has a fix available.

Just to note, if you are on an LTS version (which many people running servers will be), it’s likely an upgrade will not solve this. In which case you should check your installed version and if not yet corrected, disable that module. For most people it is not used anyway.

Right. I mean I don’t know how far back we’d need to go to find a truly free market, possibly before we have the concept of money. I think fair is also too subjective for me to give any real definitive article for too.

I’m not writing a wikipedia article here[1]. Just writing a comment on what is just an internet forum.

[1] https://kbin.life/m/[email protected]/t/588402/CEO-pay-soared-in-2025-20-times-faster-than-workers/comment/7663743#entry-comment-7663743 “just a comment” posted to kbin.life, part of the threadiverse.

So. Ultimately, yes. But I think their hold on politicians all over the west has not loosened yet. But governments will need to do something at some point. Not least because if AI and robotics continues to remove the number of available roles humans are required for, and the number of humans needed for the roles that do remain we’ll reach a point where not enough tax is being paid. But in any case there is a definite feeling that while those that were middle class and above were safe until now, I would argue they’re targeting everyone who isn’t in the 1% now to try to siphon more upwards so that they can become the 0.1%.

Recall that the only trickle down economics that exists is the tax system. Those with money don’t pay tax. But they do pay the employees that pay taxes. Pretty much all the taxes. There will be a critical point where there will be too many people unemployed, or just not paid enough to be covering the cost of the benefits systems, especially those over here in Europe etc. It should be no surprise why those on the right that are seeking power and are backed by those with money, are also wanting to shut things down like the social healthcare system here in the UK as an example. Eventually these will collapse if things continue how they are.

Governments will need to collect money from those people they’ve always been happy to give a free ride. Either that, or there will be a revolution. Again, no surprise the richest people are building bunkers/otherwise finding hideaways for themselves. They know the end result of their way of life.

When talking about this, I generally say we’ve not hit the bottom yet. We’ve not reached the worst this will get yet. We have some way to go and things are likely to get pretty bad.

So in summary, yes it will be needed. Don’t hold your breath for seeing anything like that kind of action any time soon. It’ll take a lot more visible depravity before they’re forced to act.

It is, but when people talk about a free market preventing this. They would be right when there’s genuine competition. However at some point, there’s always going to be a better upside for those at the top to collaborate, in order to share the far far more cash they can extract from everyone below them when they do.

It’s just, it’s no longer fashionable to put on a face of decency. They’re full mask off now.

It would be true. Except this only works in a genuinely free market. We’ve not had a really free market for a long time now. The people at the top are just not competing as would be required to make an open and free market work.

It’s what I’ve said for a while. Businesses and business owners have always been greedy and would always sell their own mother for $1 more profit. What’s different now, is that there is zero downside to cutting headcount, cutting costs, and enshittifying a product. All of which achieve the outcome of more money at the top.

So, this is why many of us in the private sector have seen real world pay cuts for years now, all these top companies are shedding thousands of their headcount year on year, and we’re constantly paying more, for less, with way worse terms of use.

That the government of the most powerful country in the world is also aligned with the people responsible for this is just icing on their cake. They were already at it for some time before.