Cultural relativism aside, I’m sure we can agree on “terrible” if we talk it out. I’m not asking for a “well X country is worse than Y country, so, Y country isn’t THAT bad”. I’d say for this discussion we can go as far back as 1800 for “past” as I’m currently convinced there isn’t a country with a perfect track record going back even that short a time.


The fascists run the table either way. The only thing they let us do is pick whether they wear red or blue.
Facts do bare this out, libs would rather downvote and stick fingers inside their ears.
Facts do not bear this out