You said that like it’s a bad thing compared to doubling down on trumps. If you think doubling down on centrists is worse than doubling down on trumps, then your mask has slipped mr trump supporter.
You said that like it’s a bad thing compared to doubling down on trumps
It can be a bad thing without being worse than trump, but you can’t pretend I’m a trumpist for not worshiping whatever genocidal shit you demand unquestioning devotion to any other way.
Yes I can, because you’re actively helping them get elected. That’s exactly why I can say you’re a trumpist. You’re a trumpist, get over it. If you weren’t, you’d be pragmatic about removing them or preventing them from getting in in the first place.
I bet this comes from some deep seated guilt that you’re partially responsible for his election because you abstained last election.
According to you guys voting for Biden/Harris makes YOU a genocide-winger.
And according to you guys, you can vote for someone without supporting every last one of their policies. Was that just a lie to get people to vote for genocide?
No, I say it about anyone who actively helps trump like candidates get elected. I want them to change too, but I know the pragmatic way to go about it.
If you voted for harris last election, first of all, that’s good! Then why are you acting EXACTLY like someone who is trying to make others apathetic to doing the same sort of thing next election?
Either your goal is to sow discontent, or you’re having the same effect as someone who is, so I would suggest changing your approach.
Sure, if you only care about tankie horseshoe brainrot like leaving NATO or dismantling capitalism. Meanwhile the Democrats have been trying to pass meaningful healthcare reforms for decades and have been stopped at every turn by Republicans. They fight for social safety nets, strong regulations that protect consumers and the environment, and manage it all while not blowing up the economy like every Republican ever that takes the polar opposite positions. So what fringe policies do you care about that warrant both sides’ing these parties? Because on every single issue I care about the Democrats are unimaginably better then the Republicans.
I have no idea what you are talking about. You know you exist in an echo chamber right? That the little memes and private language you guys circle jerk each other with don’t make sense here in the outside world?
Are you talking about the ACA or something else? Because the ACA originally contained a public option, that was the Democrat plan. That’s awesome, pity none of the Republicans voted for it because they hate Obama for being black. But please, keep telling me now both parties are the same.
Yeah, that’s not a surprise. I understand that the past couple decades of history aren’t netanyahu’s slightest whims, so you can be forgiven for not paying attention to them. You see, the ACA is based on a plan that was put forth by the Heritage Foundation. Since it’s not AIPAC, I’ll have to let you know what that is too. The Heritage Foundation is a republican think tank. They tell republicans (and centrist democrats) what their policies are.
Because the ACA originally contained a public option, that was the Democrat plan.
And the democratic caucus killed the public option without republicans getting involved.
That’s awesome
It would have been if your wing of the party didn’t think that more people going bankrupt and dying wasn’t preferable. Great work.
The party has been coasting on this for 15 years and meanwhile healthcare has only gotten worse.
You can just assume it’s true because it’s irrelevant. The original point is that Democrats originally wanted a public option, which is true (see section 321).
Where the policies that made it into the final bill came from after it was amended doesn’t matter because the democrats are the only party that had any desire to pass a public option in the first place. These losers just want to deflect because their peanut brains can’t process “democrat good”.
You’re right, they’ve actually been succeeding, good catch. Biden’s infrastructure bill was insane, and capping drug costs for seniors and diabetics? What a chad. Strengthening Medicare, conditioning grant funding to companies on whether they provide affordable childcare to employees, raising the child tax credit, bailing out pension funds, I mean god damn, check out his climate policy https://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/ira-charts-a-path-that-is-both-pro-climate-and-pro-worker/
The man was pro-labour af at every opportunity and passed a shit load of legislation worth trillions. Greatest president in living memory.
Nice cherry pick, followed by bullshit. Also are you trying to say “tongue”, but in an English as a second language kind of way? Kinda sus.
Now, you say “killed”, but that’s not true because it still exists at its previous level. Biden just boosted it during covid, plus democrats tried to continue it but were a single vote short. Just another example of Dems trying, and Republicans wasting oxygen.
Either way the point still stands, Biden was the most pro-worker president I’ve ever seen, and the piss babies that disagree are just mad because they don’t know shit about politics, or democracy, or anything really.
plus democrats tried to continue it but were a single vote short.
The Democrats literally controlled both houses. What you’re leaving out here is that the Democrats didn’t line up and vote for it. And Biden was the leader of the party.
Biden was the most pro-worker president I’ve ever seen
Right, who can forget how he got the PRO act passed?
and the piss babies that disagree are just mad because they don’t know shit about politics, or democracy, or anything really.
Little boy, I was pounding the pavement for the Dean campaign while you were probably sucking on your mom’s tits. I’ve seen exactly the rotating villain play in person too many times.
And here we see, like most shitlibs, you can’t answer on the record of your precious Team Blue, so your only response is name calling and hysterical “you’re not SERIOUS, I’m not listening, Dems are so good!” tantrums. No wonder you idiots keep losing to an insane game show host.
You’re grasping at straws and pointing to nothing specific. What is your problem with the PRO act and how does it warrant this rediculous both sides attitude?
I’ve listed Biden’s many achievements several times in this thread and none of the slopulists have been able to dispute them.
Thinking a party majority is the end of the story is the most terminally online take ever. That’s not how representative democracy works.
The people you are speaking to simply do not understand the concept of the saying “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good”.
They want it the way they want it. They don’t want to acknowledge that the Dems are WAY, WAY better than Republicans and that they have absolutely done good for the middle/lower classes. I assume many of them are simply completely unaware of Dem accomplishments because they don’t seem like the type of people to do their homework.
They honestly think they can magically skip the years/decades of work and magically put a 3rd party in control of our federal government.
That’s why you vote for progressives in the primaries. But either progressives don’t vote in primaries or there’s genuinely not enough of us to warrant representation in which case we’re all fucked anyhow.
Here in France we don’t have primaries, instead we have various leftist group who compete into attrition and loose the elections. That being said, they do have differing political views, so it is either that or the problem you mention.
True but neither will provide solutions to the problems a leftist party would want to address.
So? Just because Democrats aren’t doing things the way you want them exactly doesn’t mean
1-that they aren’t doing some stuff that you kinda would want, even if it’s not perfect and
2- Republicans, or letting Republicans win, is a good idea.
so keep doubling down on electing more trumps. that’s really working great!
Keep doubling down on centrist candidates. It beats admitting you’re wrong.
You said that like it’s a bad thing compared to doubling down on trumps. If you think doubling down on centrists is worse than doubling down on trumps, then your mask has slipped mr trump supporter.
It can be a bad thing without being worse than trump, but you can’t pretend I’m a trumpist for not worshiping whatever genocidal shit you demand unquestioning devotion to any other way.
Yes I can, because you’re actively helping them get elected. That’s exactly why I can say you’re a trumpist. You’re a trumpist, get over it. If you weren’t, you’d be pragmatic about removing them or preventing them from getting in in the first place.
I bet this comes from some deep seated guilt that you’re partially responsible for his election because you abstained last election.
Centrists say this about anyone who wants them to change.
I voted for harris last election, not that any genocide-winger cares.
Lol. According to you guys voting for Biden/Harris makes YOU a genocide-winger. Welcome to the genocide club I guess.
I voted for Stein
And according to you guys, you can vote for someone without supporting every last one of their policies. Was that just a lie to get people to vote for genocide?
No, I say it about anyone who actively helps trump like candidates get elected. I want them to change too, but I know the pragmatic way to go about it.
If you voted for harris last election, first of all, that’s good! Then why are you acting EXACTLY like someone who is trying to make others apathetic to doing the same sort of thing next election?
Either your goal is to sow discontent, or you’re having the same effect as someone who is, so I would suggest changing your approach.
And literally any criticism of the genocide wing is conveniently sufficient to meet that criterion.
I want the party to do what is necessary to win. You want them to continue to lose if winning means changing.
Sure, if you only care about tankie horseshoe brainrot like leaving NATO or dismantling capitalism. Meanwhile the Democrats have been trying to pass meaningful healthcare reforms for decades and have been stopped at every turn by Republicans. They fight for social safety nets, strong regulations that protect consumers and the environment, and manage it all while not blowing up the economy like every Republican ever that takes the polar opposite positions. So what fringe policies do you care about that warrant both sides’ing these parties? Because on every single issue I care about the Democrats are unimaginably better then the Republicans.
Their last big win was a Heritage Foundation policy that they nerfed without a single republican vote because it wasn’t far enough to the right.
Source?
Lots of big talk coming from you without a source.
Mb, I assumed it was common knowledge, but I guess when people are dumb enough to both sides Democrats with Republicans I shouldn’t assume anything.
https://housedocs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf section 321
https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/house-bill/3962/text/
That the ACA was based on Heritage Foundation policy?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoodman/2016/02/15/where-did-the-idea-of-obamacare-come-from-a-defense-of-the-heritage-foundation/
Obama made no secret of it.
I have no idea what you are talking about. You know you exist in an echo chamber right? That the little memes and private language you guys circle jerk each other with don’t make sense here in the outside world?
Are you talking about the ACA or something else? Because the ACA originally contained a public option, that was the Democrat plan. That’s awesome, pity none of the Republicans voted for it because they hate Obama for being black. But please, keep telling me now both parties are the same.
Yeah, that’s not a surprise. I understand that the past couple decades of history aren’t netanyahu’s slightest whims, so you can be forgiven for not paying attention to them. You see, the ACA is based on a plan that was put forth by the Heritage Foundation. Since it’s not AIPAC, I’ll have to let you know what that is too. The Heritage Foundation is a republican think tank. They tell republicans (and centrist democrats) what their policies are.
And the democratic caucus killed the public option without republicans getting involved.
It would have been if your wing of the party didn’t think that more people going bankrupt and dying wasn’t preferable. Great work.
The party has been coasting on this for 15 years and meanwhile healthcare has only gotten worse.
You are completely deranged
Abuse and gaslighting are how centrists admit they’re wrong. Concession accepted.
Projection really is a strong suit of you right wingers isn’t it?
Genocide isn’t any less wrong, no matter how much abuse you throw at its critics.
They’re actually completely correct.
Nope
Interesting that you see the truth as deranged.
What truth? You have yet to post a source confirming your Heritage Foundation conspiracy theory.
You can just assume it’s true because it’s irrelevant. The original point is that Democrats originally wanted a public option, which is true (see section 321).
Where the policies that made it into the final bill came from after it was amended doesn’t matter because the democrats are the only party that had any desire to pass a public option in the first place. These losers just want to deflect because their peanut brains can’t process “democrat good”.
More interesting that you think lies are the truth.
They haven’t been trying. They’ve held both houses and the presidency twice in the 22st century.
You’re right, they’ve actually been succeeding, good catch. Biden’s infrastructure bill was insane, and capping drug costs for seniors and diabetics? What a chad. Strengthening Medicare, conditioning grant funding to companies on whether they provide affordable childcare to employees, raising the child tax credit, bailing out pension funds, I mean god damn, check out his climate policy https://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/ira-charts-a-path-that-is-both-pro-climate-and-pro-worker/
The man was pro-labour af at every opportunity and passed a shit load of legislation worth trillions. Greatest president in living memory.
The Child Tax Credit? You mean the one Biden let get killed, doubling child poverty in the process?
I wouldn’t mention that if I was you, tounge washing the balls of the Senator from MBNA. Who made sure Trump could win in 2024.
Nice cherry pick, followed by bullshit. Also are you trying to say “tongue”, but in an English as a second language kind of way? Kinda sus.
Now, you say “killed”, but that’s not true because it still exists at its previous level. Biden just boosted it during covid, plus democrats tried to continue it but were a single vote short. Just another example of Dems trying, and Republicans wasting oxygen.
Either way the point still stands, Biden was the most pro-worker president I’ve ever seen, and the piss babies that disagree are just mad because they don’t know shit about politics, or democracy, or anything really.
The Democrats literally controlled both houses. What you’re leaving out here is that the Democrats didn’t line up and vote for it. And Biden was the leader of the party.
Right, who can forget how he got the PRO act passed?
Little boy, I was pounding the pavement for the Dean campaign while you were probably sucking on your mom’s tits. I’ve seen exactly the rotating villain play in person too many times.
And here we see, like most shitlibs, you can’t answer on the record of your precious Team Blue, so your only response is name calling and hysterical “you’re not SERIOUS, I’m not listening, Dems are so good!” tantrums. No wonder you idiots keep losing to an insane game show host.
You’re grasping at straws and pointing to nothing specific. What is your problem with the PRO act and how does it warrant this rediculous both sides attitude?
I’ve listed Biden’s many achievements several times in this thread and none of the slopulists have been able to dispute them.
Thinking a party majority is the end of the story is the most terminally online take ever. That’s not how representative democracy works.
You need to actually learn how the US government works, my sad little GOP enabler.
The people you are speaking to simply do not understand the concept of the saying “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good”.
They want it the way they want it. They don’t want to acknowledge that the Dems are WAY, WAY better than Republicans and that they have absolutely done good for the middle/lower classes. I assume many of them are simply completely unaware of Dem accomplishments because they don’t seem like the type of people to do their homework.
They honestly think they can magically skip the years/decades of work and magically put a 3rd party in control of our federal government.
There is no remotely viable true leftist party in the United States. Welcome to reality.
That’s why you vote for progressives in the primaries. But either progressives don’t vote in primaries or there’s genuinely not enough of us to warrant representation in which case we’re all fucked anyhow.
Here in France we don’t have primaries, instead we have various leftist group who compete into attrition and loose the elections. That being said, they do have differing political views, so it is either that or the problem you mention.
This is the reality that apparently a lot of people on Lemmy don’t want to accept.