The old “tomatoes are not a vegetable” is pretty frustrating. They are a vegetable.
In botanical terms, the concept of a vegetable does not exist, which is where tomatoes are classified as fruits. But in culinary terms, vegetables do exist and tomatoes are classified as such.
I just find it frustrating, because I believed that garbage myself at some point, and I thought, I was smart for knowing that.
Just one of those examples that you can easily spread misinformation, so long as you make it sound plausible.
Other sweet plant parts are also considered culinary vegetables: carrots, squash, red peppers, sweet potatoes, fennel, and onions.
Some of them you do have to cook to perceive as sweet, but non-sweet doesn’t seem to be a good dividing line. Striving for non-overlapping categories instead of just accepting the mess seems like a mistake.
As a cook, you are wrong. Those are all vegetables. There is no purity test you can run on what is a vegetable and what is not, it’s literally just what people arbitrarily decided however long ago.
I will accept these are also not vegetables in the culinary sense as well. Looks like you have single handedly eliminate a bunch of vegetables, congratulations.
If it is sweet and is a berry/fruit like a tomato then it is not a vegetable. I am personally not having a hard time with this. Not sweet = vegetable. Sweet = debatable.
Hold on, it didn’t need to be a berry/fruit earlier, does that mean carrots and sweet potatoes are vegetables after all?
You know what, let’s try this the other way around: could you name specific examples of things you consider vegetables? Because we’ve named quite a lot now and you don’t seem to consider any of them vegetables.
I am literally going off the culinary definition which is related to taste. If it is sweet it is a good chance it is a berry or fruit of the plant and not the vegetable matter.
Well no, you’re switching between multiple definitions, none of which have ever been used culinarily, but more importantly, can you not name a vegetable? Are beans a vegetable?
There are vegetables where you eat the root.
There are vegetables where you eat the leaves.
There are vegetables where you eat the stem.
But for cucumbers, pumpkins, aubergine and paprika you eat the fruit, why should the tomato be different?
Yes, but bell peppers are also quite sweet. As a kid I learnt that vegetables are from perennial plants (only live for a year) but that rule of thumb is also inconsistent.
Vegetable refuse to be categorised. Become unrulable.
The old “tomatoes are not a vegetable” is pretty frustrating. They are a vegetable.
In botanical terms, the concept of a vegetable does not exist, which is where tomatoes are classified as fruits. But in culinary terms, vegetables do exist and tomatoes are classified as such.
I just find it frustrating, because I believed that garbage myself at some point, and I thought, I was smart for knowing that.
Just one of those examples that you can easily spread misinformation, so long as you make it sound plausible.
In culinary arts vegetables are the non-sweet edible parts of plants (not fruit). So no, they are not a vegetable.
What is true is people call them a vegetable.
Other sweet plant parts are also considered culinary vegetables: carrots, squash, red peppers, sweet potatoes, fennel, and onions.
Some of them you do have to cook to perceive as sweet, but non-sweet doesn’t seem to be a good dividing line. Striving for non-overlapping categories instead of just accepting the mess seems like a mistake.
As a cook, you are wrong. Those are all vegetables. There is no purity test you can run on what is a vegetable and what is not, it’s literally just what people arbitrarily decided however long ago.
If you’re responding to me, that was my point. They’re all vegetables.
Oh yeah I definitely responded to the wrong person. It’s annoying how often that happens on Lemmy lol
I will accept these are also not vegetables in the culinary sense as well. Looks like you have single handedly eliminate a bunch of vegetables, congratulations.
Ok, so what about peas? Or cabbage? Artichokes? What’s the specific cut off for being too sweet to be a vegetable?
If it is sweet and is a berry/fruit like a tomato then it is not a vegetable. I am personally not having a hard time with this. Not sweet = vegetable. Sweet = debatable.
Hold on, it didn’t need to be a berry/fruit earlier, does that mean carrots and sweet potatoes are vegetables after all?
You know what, let’s try this the other way around: could you name specific examples of things you consider vegetables? Because we’ve named quite a lot now and you don’t seem to consider any of them vegetables.
I am literally going off the culinary definition which is related to taste. If it is sweet it is a good chance it is a berry or fruit of the plant and not the vegetable matter.
Well no, you’re switching between multiple definitions, none of which have ever been used culinarily, but more importantly, can you not name a vegetable? Are beans a vegetable?
Wait I got a better one: if carrots and sweet potatoes aren’t vegetables why are they called root vegetables?
There are vegetables where you eat the root.
There are vegetables where you eat the leaves.
There are vegetables where you eat the stem.
But for cucumbers, pumpkins, aubergine and paprika you eat the fruit, why should the tomato be different?
I believe the point is non-sweet, tomatoes are often quite sweet without any cooking required
Yes, but bell peppers are also quite sweet. As a kid I learnt that vegetables are from perennial plants (only live for a year) but that rule of thumb is also inconsistent.
Vegetable refuse to be categorised. Become unrulable.
Got it, if ungovernable, it’s a vegetable
If you want to get pedantic the tomato is a berry.
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Sure, but it is not a vegetable.