Many people on lemmy.ml deeply respect and admire authoritarian governments and organizations.
Iran, China, North Korea, Soviet Union…
The West has many flaws. But our flaws are nothing compared to these guys.
Iran hangs homosexuals. Iran shot 30,000 people in less than than 2 weeks. The Soviet Union had to build a fucking Iron wall to prevent people from escaping. The Soviets lied about the Chernobyl nuclear explosion. China censors the internet. China wants to eliminate Islam. North Korea is a totalitarian hellscape. Watching anime is a crime.
Why is lemmy.ml so fascinated with authoritarians?
Except it doesn’t move towards communism. Social democrat system was pioneered in weimer republic and runs in EU since ww2. It’s compatible with political incentives so it stays stable
I know it doesn’t move towards communism, but it looks a hundred times more communist than Russia and China. Think away the money in socialist democratic countries and you can just work a 32-40 hour work week to receive housing, food, healthcare, social security, middle class luxury goods, etc. In socialist countries all of that is much more affordable with a normal job (and even during unemployment). It’s like resources are already equally shared but they just have a monetary backbone.
Russia is capitalist right now, as are social democracies. Either way, you’re missing 3 critical problems:
Social Democracies have private ownership as the principal aspect, not public ownership like in China. Both have private and public ownership, but private has power in social democracies and public in China.
The class character of the state in social democracies is capitlaist, while the class character of the state in China is proletarian.
Social democracies in the west depend on imperialism to subsidize their safety nets, China’s safety nets come from its own production and trade.
The nordics are not socialist in any capacity, nor are they nearer to it than existing socialist countries like China.
Lol no. I live in EU, you get no food, no housing except some extreme cases, no “middle class luxury goods”, social security is a scam that will never pay you back anywhere close to what you pay in into it now.
Healthcare is the only real thing of these. And you don’t get Healthcare if you don’t work or sign separate agreement and pay monthly “subscription”
TLDR you’re delusional.
You’re obviously focusing on the unemployed part of it. But even if I were unemployed I would get food and housing in my EU country. Although mostly it would be in the form of money with extras like access to a place to get free food or social housing.
With a normal job you can buy middle class luxury goods perfectly fine. Which is my point. Middle class luxury goods are stuff like TVs, game consoles, phones and decent clothes. Stuff like being able to go drink a night or go to the movies. All that stuff is perfectly possible which means you can get whatever “low paying” job and have a share of all of that. And without the idea of money that looks like economic communism already.
Yes that’s how capitalism works.
No, without money, economy would just instantly collapse. You wouldn’t have any of these goods.
I’m saying that most western socialist democracies, even with capitalism, look quite communist.
They do not.
Money is unnecessary in fully collectivized economies, hence why communism is described as moneyless.
And all of this at present relies on imperialism and neocolonialism, with a bourgeois state and private ownership as principal. It’s farther away from socialism than socialist countries.