Soon after I joined Lemmy a few years ago, I searched for communities based on my interests and subscribed to the ones with the highest numbers of users to ensure they are active. Sometimes I joined multiple, but then saw that some people post the same thing to more than one, cluttering my feed, so I left the smaller ones.
It’s only after my community ban from [email protected] for disagreeing about Ukraine that I was told about MeanwhileOnGrad, learning exactly what “the tankie triad” means and why big Lemmy instances have defederated from those. Lemmy.ml, where the ML probably stands for Marxist-Leninist, seems to have been defederated by fewer, possibly because it’s run by the creator of Lemmy, Dessalines. Nevertheless, there is evidence of Dessalines holding the same authoritarian communist views as the rest.
Recently, there were two posts on [email protected] about Signal, but then in both cases, admin davel (who is known on MoG for seeing CIA’s hand in running Ukraine, among other things) and Dessalines linked (1, 2, 3) the same article by Dessalines, which not only argues Signal could be a CIA honeypot (as if it matters when proper e2ee is used), but also manages to shoehorn China even into that, claiming its government “prefers autonomy”. This sort of portrayal of totalitarianism as sovereignty is the reason I unsubscribed from the community. As it has been said by others, ML is not a neutral instance but a means of pushing authoritarian views onto unsuspecting users.
Edit: Made the post title clearer.
I think you’re absolutely right here. Those instances were designed to appeal to the broader umbrella of social equality and left-leaning audiences, while simultaneously pushing clearly tankie-style propaganda !
Your life on the fediverse improves significantly if you just block the entire lemmy.ml and hexbear.net instances.
Getting closer and closer to that! The reason I made this post to begin with is to do a PSA, because it took me months of being subscribed to games on Hexbear to notice it’s not a leftist community as it presents itself, but authoritarian communist. So I can’t be certain all of their users are in the know, but is it worth keeping the instances unblocked if the bad outweighs the possibility of good?
Noooo “calling it “authoritarian” is meaningless”!!!
Stop “phrasemongering”, it’s “not fascism” when China pulls its shit! China also not guilty of Uyghur genocide, that’s western propaganda you racist!
Smh. Tankie propaganda was making me mad, I’m actually glad I got banned off their subs for adamantly refusing to accept their lines of reasoning for their blatant, apologetic, wholly uncritical acceptance of china.
What portion of the tankie userbase do we think are Chinese intelligence assets? Or at best, shills?
The down vote shaping on this thread I think supports this notion. It’s something that I have seen and personally experienced on Reddit. And, it seems that liberal left wingers are invariably the target.
My experience has always been that tankies, regardless of community, are exceedingly rare in the wild of a western nation. With leftist views usually comes compassion, and that prevents the development of authoritarian views.
There is something wrong with the proportions on Lemmy. There’s more going on than fringe local western tankies. Perhaps Dessalines insistence that Signal was a honeypot, is a projection about Lemmy.ml?
down vote shaping
Downvotes are publicly available. If you can identify unlabeled downvote bots, admins will probably ban them.
There’s been an uptick of downvotes and new users leaving critical comments since the Hexbear thread linking this one. Though Hexbear is defederated from .world, I’m pretty sure that if you examine the downvotes, you’re going to find barely active alt accounts of users from Hexbear. There’s one who literally quoted a point from that thread.
Edit: Also of note is that after they made that thread, they revisited the Ukraine thread from 10 months ago and removed my comments individually to make them harder to access. They know no reasonable person reading them is going to come to their conclusion that I’m a “fascist sympathizer” for essentially siding with Ukraine. Thankfully, they have no control over the Web Archive version also found at the OP link.
