• schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works
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    6 days ago

    I really liked Mamdami’s answer: Israel has a right to exist as a state with equal rights for all (or something like that). Thing is, people could only get angry if they were willing to argue for a Jewish supremacist state, which of course they blindly do, but everyone watching is like, “Wait a minute. I want Israel to exist, of course, but I don’t like arpartheid.”

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      6 days ago

      I can understand that answer from a politician. I can understand why Mamdani gave that answer.

      But Israel has no right to exist period, under any context, unless “Israel” is a government-sanctioned province of the Palestinian state overseen by the rightful owners of the land on which it is based: the Palestinians.

      It is stolen land. It is to be returned.

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        5 days ago

        That’s kind of tricky, though. How far back into history would you need to go to find the truly “rightful” owners of that long contested land?

      • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        5 days ago

        While I entirely agree with the premise of this position, it’s going to be entirely unpopular, or rather as unpopular as suggesting Americans should pull up stakes and leave the continent since we did, in fact, steal this land from the native Americans.

        There’s no practical way to get there from here. But we might be able to either establish a two state solution, in which Palestine has a fair amount of land and its own sovereignty (and is facilitated with support from the international community and reparations), or a single state solution in which Israel relinquishes its identity as a Jewish state for a secular one in which all its inhabitants are afforded the same access to civil rights and justice.

        The road to either of these (imperfect) solutions is going to be long and arduous, and opposed by most of the monied interests that currently dominate the world.

    • Janx@piefed.social
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      6 days ago

      El-Sayed’s response really is great, and the perfect example of how to respond to “AnTiSeMiTiSm” accusations. Just like the US and other countries, you’re allowed to criticize leaders and countries. To be a patriot it’s actually required…