Framework announced the Framework 13 Pro including full Linux support right from the beginning.
Some quick information about the Device:
- will use Intel Core Ultra 300 (Panther-Lake)
- updated Battery Design with (up to) 20h Battery life
- custom designed Display Panel with Touch support (keeping the 3:2 aspect ratio)
- LPCAMM2 for upgradable/replacable RAM without compromising on Speed/Low Power of LPDDR5X
- milled Aluminium Unibody chassis
- Full Linux support right from the start (including Firmware update via LVFS, Fingerprint Reader, etc.)
- Haptic Touchpad
- and all the repairability features Framework is known for
You can watch their YouTube Video for a quick summary:
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnOpIQJnYWU
- Invidious: https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?__goaway_challenge=js>-refresh&__goaway_id=5a21ef489cbc0e9e48ccded2c92f2b68&__goaway_referer=https%3A%2F%2Finv.nadeko.net%2F&v=GnOpIQJnYWU
I was looking for a new laptop to replace my old Lenovo Yoga 370 and initially disregarded the Framework 13 because of some downsides (low Battery Life, bad Camera, etc.) and was looking to go with one of the following devices:
- HP Elitebook X g1a
- the new Dell XPS 14
- Asus Expertbook PM5 G2
or also a MacBook pro. I am using Linux since more then 10 years and never touched MacOS at all. So I was not sure if MacOS would work for me. But this announcement made it easy: It will be a Framework 13 Pro with Intel X7 358H!
What I’d love to know is what the devices are on the shelves behind him. I recognise the mac plus…
Top right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLPC_XO
The orange handheld on top looks like the Playdate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playdate_(console)
I want a small Linux tablet with interchangeable innards from framework and 2 usbc dp alt mode ports. Something like a fydetab.
OP - check out asahi Linux for Mac if you ever want to convert a MacBook to Linux. Going Linux from the start with Framework is a better plan imo tho.
As long as Asahi does not support the M5 this is not an option. And since it will always be lacking behind due to the need of reverse engineering everything it is not a suitable daily Driver. But it is a cool project nevertheless.
That’s silly. Older compute works great as a daily driver. Most people don’t replace their computers everytime a new model drops and Asahi extends the life of Mac hardware even further.
Even for M1 MacBooks Asahi does not support things like Thunderbolt, DP Alt Mode, Fingerprint Reader, etc. Also Power management is still a problem because Apple doing things differently then other ARM devices. https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m1/
If I am Buying a 2000€+ Laptop I want everything to work. Not flawlessly, but at least working. And Asahi is not there. That’s what I mean with “not suitable as a daily driver”. If this is good enough for someone, thats fine. I am happy for them and they should enjoy their device. But most other people buying such laptops would not be happy.
tl;dr
- CNC aluminum Chassis (matte black)
- 74wh battery
- wildly-efficient Panther Lake chips
- Ubuntu available pre-installed
- 20hr. battery life.
Another interesting bit from the presentation: Framework revenue is steadily-growing, in a market where many consumer OEMs may not exist much longer due to AI scams and razor thin profit margins. Maybe they can see the writing on the wall and pivot into this “niche” market as well? Increased revenue is allowing them to invest more in development, including the first custom-made display explicitly for Framework devices.
Overall excellent advancements, and a promising future for the company, despite market conditions.
no oem is gonna be able to earn the trust framework has tbh
Framework CEO has been busy last year losing trust, to be honest.
In what way?
In a way that has been completely overblown
Donating to that shell script collection of this weird right-wing millionaire guy from Ruby on Rails.
Here comes the Nazi Bar analogies.
Now everyone posting in this thread which promotes Framework has become a Nazi by the transitive property of Nazihood. Now your family are Nazis with Nazi pets who eat from a pet store that is run by a Nazi (on account of supporting Nazis by selling them pet food, you see) that banks at a Nazi bank in a Nazi financial system run by a Nazi country on a Nazi planet.
…and just like that, every person and thing in the world has become a Nazi. Thanks a lot FRAMEWORK, if only we’d listened to the toxic trolls and avoided being associated with any person on the off chance that we’d catch their 4th person inherited nazihood.
/s, obviously.
These same people better never wear nike, addidas, drive a bmw or volkswagon, ford, or …
Dorks just virtue signaling
Acting self-righteous and outraged feels good.
Some people haven’t learned that this doesn’t mean that it is good.
pretty sure chineese one could easilly. some chineese brand already allow laptop purchasse without windows and with all the stuff on tarif and ban etc they could pivot toward linux
That’s so cool! They have Panther Lake, better battery, touchscreen, haptic trackpad, LPCAMM2, and a nicer aluminium chassis that comes in black. Everything that people have asked for, no way! Good work to them!
Their blog as well as the video described the new laptop as the “Macbook Pro for Linux users”, with a similarly solid build, battery life, and performance. But of course with repairability and upgradeability as a focus.
Clicking on some of the options on both web stores, a similarly configured Framework Laptop 13 Pro (Intel X7) is quite a bit more expensive than a Macbook Pro (base M5). If you go up to 32GB of RAM and 2TB SSD, the Framework becomes cheaper because of Apple tax for (non-upgradeable!) memory upgrades. But doesn’t include import fees (which will be much higher for FW)
I wonder if there will be an equivalent AMD offering …
They do offer it with the Ryzen 300 series CPUs (but those have worse efficiency, iGPU performance, etc compared to Intel’s new Panther Lake Let’s hope that AMD’s Zen 6 CPUs catch up!)
Also, yooo just checked their website - the new Panther Lake mainboards support the old non-Pro Framework Laptop 13 chassis too, so you can still upgrade your old machine! (and the reverse is true too, if you want of use an older CPU on the new chassis)
I believe they said the only thing you couldn’t swap into your old 13 is the new battery. For that you’ll need the new chassis to get it to fit. Everything else you could replace.
Nice! Checking the forums, looks like you can change the bottom cover while keeping the old top cover if you want the new display, battery, etc. while keeping a silver lid. Interesting…
I wouldn’t do it personally, but I appreciate that you could keep the old silver lid and swap in a new black bottom cover, throw in a colourful bezel and have yourself a nice Frankenstein’d laptop.
Some people have already suggested that such FW13 non-Pro and Pro hybrids could be called pandas or penguins
It wasn’t before? Wtf
This is just saying they’re an Ubuntu vendor now. They ship preconfigured with Ubuntu as an option.
I’m pretty sure they were…
@prole @quick_snail
i vaguely remember Framework stating that there were some compatibility issues with certain Distros before, but yea, idk any more than you guys…
Which of their machines doesn’t have full Linux support from the start?
Looking at their website, it seems that they will be working with more distros to make sure support is good. Additionally, it’s the first device that is “Ubuntu certified”
edit,: Oh, and if you get the pre-built, you can have Ubuntu preinstalled! Not if you get the DIY edition though, interestingly enough. You would think Linux users are more likely to go with the DIY route. (you can also pick no OS preinstalled if you go that route, so I think it’s fine)
As a DIYer, I bought my own SSD. It was much cheaper and had more flavor
You aren’t supposed to chew on your SSD though.
Then why does it look exactly like a stick of gum
Your argument is flawless and I concede the argument.
I really like that Framework lets you BYO SSD, because then you can easily reuse your old drive! Especially with the memory shortage making everything very expensive.
Still funding fascists tho
They’re so committed to funding fascists that they shut down their own discord server because they couldn’t handle the complaints
All the CEO needed to say after funding that fascist was:
Oops, sorry. I didn’t check out that developer’s history before funding his project. It won’t happen again. I promise going forwards that we’ll google people’s names first before sending them any money.
They didn’t have to make a big deal about it, even a simple quickly forgotten post on their personal social media account would have been enough.
People still ask him about it, and he’ll talk about anything else.
But he won’t give a simple apology.
His silence is deafening.
Better to just go for the EU version of framework without the fascism: https://novacustom.com/
Edit: Changed “All the CEO had to say” to “All the CEO needed to say” to avoid confusion.
Better to just go for the EU version of framework without the fascism: https://novacustom.com/
Neat! I’m going to check them out in more detail later
Also, mnt re - https://mntre.com/index.html
I still love the pocket reform…
Thanks for the heads up, I was trying to find if they’re still facist. I always felt bad seeing how much promotion framework laptops get after their lukewarm response, and now I can recommend an alternative.
Novacustom uses rebranded Clevos, just like TUXEDO.
Get off your high horse. The first sentence was ‘sorry’.
Find something real to get mad about.
Pretty sure you’ve misread. That was not a quote of what they said, it was a suggestion of what they should say.
You misunderstood the first sentence in my comment.
I’ve edited the word
hadtoneededto make it more clear.These dorks care about the dumbest shit and not anything important
They need that next hit of outrage and self-righteousness.
Not supporting fascists is self-righteous now? Are you actually serious?
Support or don’t support who you want.
How you and your friends here present your arguments and interact with the community appears more like chasing the high of outrage and drama farming than attempting to engage in a conversation on the topic.
Doing things like putting words into other people’s mouth, and then attacking the strawman of your own creation for example:
Not supporting fascists is self-righteous now?
There’s no topic to engage upon. There’s merely a fascist vendor trying to enter a community space from which they were already ejected.
Cal down you clown. People can decide to spend their own money in whatever way they see fit.
Are they, though? I do think it is not right how their public stance is just “we want to be politically neutral”. But at the end of the day, when you look at who is actually receiving funding from them now, it looks like they are no longer funding the projects that the community has a problem with: https://frame.work/blog/framework-sponsorships
They’re still funding Hyprland
Are they no longer funding them, or are they just not reporting it anymore?
You are right, no sign of it listed. Odd, I’ve not heard of any resignation of the CEO.
I don’t think the CEO or anyone else was at fault, one of their teams picked people for the company to support, it was either before bad behaviour became apparent, or ignorant of it, then the community complaints and they fixed it
What’s to complain about?
20 hours is optimistic, I have done a lot of observations on different workloads in mobile Lunar Lake on Lenovo with throttling and other tunings applied:
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3 watts static content with minimal CPU/GPU usage at min brightness -> 24 hours
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4-5 watts in code editors with some plugins and hardware acceleration / basic web browsing -> 15 hours
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6-8 watts on video playback (YouTube at 1080p) -> 9.5 hours
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10-11 watts at about 50% utilization in medium tasks like exploring the (new 2.5d) Google Maps -> 7 hours
Framework may perform better or worse. Considering Apple makes power optimizations by doing the opposite of what Framework does - they are probably worse at it. Also keep in mind that Linux support takes a while.
I’m assuming they’re talking about 720p video playback at low brightness to get 20 hours.
Also if you have battery care enabled (stops at 80%) and charge at 10% then you only really get 70% of the expected battery life.
I’m assuming they’re talking about 720p video playback at low brightness to get 20 hours.
On the blog, they say 20 hours is from 4K Netflix streaming. Mighty impressive, that! https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-13-pro-and-highlights-from-the-framework-next-gen-event or https://frame.work/blog/introducing-framework-laptop-13-pro
They say it’s slightly longer than a 14" Macbook Pro M5, interesting
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English link: https://frame.work/laptop13pro
Love to see that even with the new pro model, you can upgrade your existing Framework 13 mainboard/other components and get the new features. Gotta hand it to Framework: A standardized hardware design works great for laptops.
