What’s the minimum level of fame needed to avoid being publicly shamed? I mean, lately I see a lot of artists doing questionable or downright bad/illegal things, and yet they still have a horde of fans defending them tooth and nail. So it makes me wonder, how many fans do you really need to have that level of security? To know you have a fanbase that will always be there no matter what? Maybe 10 fans aren’t enough, or even 500… what’s the minimum?

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      2 days ago

      i just don’t think that the number of fans is the right thing to focus on. it depends more on why you’re a public figure, what kind of people comprise your fanbase, and other such factors. some things will be scandalous for one kind of famous person, or to one kind of fan/follower/whatever, but not to another.

      also, like, abusive relationships and cults exist with very small populations, and the abuser/cult leader can get away with a lot without losing their victim(s).

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      3 days ago

      The idea of ‘cancelling’ is public relations spin to shield people who did shitty things from accountability. A few years ago people were trying to hold people like Louis CK, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey accountable for hurting people. Their fixers pitched it to the media as an irrational mob trying to cancel anyone who doesn’t agree with them. When people are like ‘They tried to cancel Baby Yoda!’ after there was a mild reaction to a plotpoint in the Mandalorian tv show, they’re falling prey to this manipulation of public opinion. A lot of minor celebrities claim to be ‘cancelled’ in order to appear counter-culture, but usually they’re inflating false information about themselves to make it appear like they’re a target of an irrational mob, or they’re trying to cover for true information about them. Think of the number of people who have claimed to have been cancelled in their Netflix specials, or the number of people who have been confirmed to have abused their partners and still get to come back for the next Marvel or DC movie. The reaction against ‘cancelling’ was so much greater than the reaction against abuse because people were convinced they could be cancelled at any moment for any reason, and it’s made online discourse immeasurably worse.