What VPN have you switched to after the Mullvad situation. I have looked at nym and ivpn. But don’t know if they are any good.

  • godsammitdam@lemmy.zip
    9·
    9 hours ago

    Just the founder whose donation bankrolls the entire party…

    Just the founder who holds massive sway in the direction of the company…

    Just the founder, who receives a lions share of the profits from our funding who redirects it towards ideologies rooted in inhumanity…

    “These fascists make a really good burger. I’ll keep buying their burger and I don’t care where it comes from, I won’t look.”

      • godsammitdam@lemmy.zip
        4·
        8 hours ago

        Just because you don’t like facts doesn’t mean they’re “extreme” lol.

        Please, tell me how any of the above is extreme. Please do use facts similar to those already covered in the comments section here which support my claims.

        • tirateimas@lemmy.pt
          13·
          7 hours ago

          … and I’m not saying I disagree with you.

          What facts? Just because I have a slightly more moderate and less radical stance regarding stopping to use some company services than you, you already started throwing the “fascist supporter” card. That’s usually what extremes do.

          • godsammitdam@lemmy.zip
            4·
            6 hours ago

            I used a hypothetical, denoted by using quotations. I never called anyone specifically a fascist supporter. You made that final jump.

            But, since you asked about it, let’s look at brass tacks. What, by definition, constitutes fascism?

            Merriam Webster

            often Fascism : a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition

            At the core of fascism is loyalty to tribe, ethnic identity, religion, tradition, or, in a word, nation. —Jason Stanley

            Just to make sure we’re not looking at a singular definition, let’s look at Wikipedia too

            Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement that rose to prominence in early-20th-century Europe.[1][2][3] Fascism is characterized by support for a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[3][4] Opposed to communism, democracy, liberalism, pluralism, and socialism,[5][6] fascism is at the far-right of the traditional left–right spectrum.[1][6][7]

            And now, let’s look at what the Örebro party’s own stated platform, which recieved 72% of its funding from the Mullvad founder, which also amounted to 10 times their total funding in 2024:

            Some of its key issues include strong secularism, a 30-hour workweek with retained pay, lowered wages for politicians, ending taxes on energy and fuel, ending taxpayer funding of what it sees as wasteful sculptures, monuments and art, large-scale remigration, expanded social housing, a stricter assimilation policy, and free dental care.[3][4]

            And what’s remigration?

            Remigration is a far-right concept referring to the ethnic cleansing[1] via mass deportation of non-white minority populations, especially immigrants and sometimes including native-born citizens, to their place of racial ancestry.[2][3]

            So fascism is about racial and national purity and hierarchy, as we defined, and the Orebro party supports remigration, which is a concept of forcing immigrants out of countries to preserve the purity of “culture” and the race of the nation.

            But yeah, keep eating that burger my guy. I’m the extreme one. I bolded the throughlines to make it easier for you to connect the dots.

              • godsammitdam@lemmy.zip
                21·
                4 hours ago

                I know you gave up. You said you don’t care where a product/service comes from or who makes it, even if they support genocide and ethnic cleansing.

                And then a couple sentences, even with bolded main points, having you read 20-30 words is too scary.

                Yes, I know you’ve given up and are slinking away like a coward when confronted with evidence.

                I wish you luck on realizing why people would shun you for “moderate” opinions of supporting genocidaires.

                • whatiswrongwithyou@lemmy.ml
                  1·
                  53 minutes ago

                  Hey, what you are doing is harmful.

                  A person who needs privacy and anonymity shouldn’t have to justify using the vpn service that has most definitely passed the highest bar when it comes to resisting governments.

                  The mere presence of a service that advertises feature parity is no comparison to one that has passed the real world test of those offerings.

                  It’s like believing someone’s claim of steel grade and processing without test marks on the surface. Sure it’ll probably be fine for a big tractor shed, but when you’re relying on the material to hold up an apartment building it’s not worth it to take those claims on faith.

                  If you were living in a war zone and needed a gun to protect yourself or your family, would you turn down an ar-15 simply because of the rifles history? Of course not.

                  • godsammitdam@lemmy.zip
                    1·
                    14 minutes ago

                    Mullvad has genuinely resisted government data requests in ways that matter and that’s not nothing. But the premise that it’s uniquely proven in a way alternatives aren’t just isn’t true and is doing a lot of heavy lifting. IVPN and Proton have both faced and resisted comparable legal pressure. The gap between Mullvad’s tested track record and alternatives isn’t as wide as your steel grade analogy implies, and that analogy only holds if you’re treating the alternatives as unverified claims with no real world data behind them.

                    But if we’re discussing harm, the deeper problem is the framing that ethics are a luxury position for people who aren’t in genuine danger. By that logic you can never apply moral considerations to any purchase of critical infrastructure when the stakes are high enough, which produces conclusions that don’t hold up under pressure. The gun in a war zone analogy assumes the gun manufacturer’s politics don’t affect the people in the war zone. But the people most likely to need a VPN to survive, dissidents, journalists, immigrants, minorities in authoritarian or ethnonationalist environments, are often the exact same people being targeted by the policies the Mullvad founder is bankrolling. A Somali refugee using Mullvad to stay safe is funding, through that subscription, a party that wants to forcibly deport them back to Somalia regardless of whether they were born in Sweden.

                    So no, I don’t think pointing this out is harmful. I think pretending it’s irrelevant because the product works well is the more harmful position, especially for the people most likely to be using it for the reasons you’re describing.