İ am using pop os with my rtx4060 laptop. İ consider to switch an office laptop. İ will use it for editing and coding. İ love linux and open source but have to admit that mac is something different to me. İt is perfect. İ hate it is a product of apple but they did it really well. But also i want to use linux. But i cannot take 12 hours battery with linux laptops. İ could have buy tuxedo infinit book 14 pro but they dont ship to my country. What should i do?
I have M5 Macbook Pro as work laptop. Its great but I would still like to try out Intel panther lake laptop with Linux on it. If it’s as efficient as advertised then its bettee imo
Buy whichever suits your needs more.
I have both systems. Linux on desktop, MacOS on my M3 Macbook Pro. I went with the latter because mainly because of battery life and colour accuracy (for graphical work).
That said, with system level AI and all the surveillance bullshit coming to the UK, I will probably start dual booting Asahi if/when it’s released for the M3. MacOS will just be for photo/video editing. A shame, because I’ll be giving up the battery life.
You can use nixpkgs and brew on macOS.
I have both kernel (GNU/Linux and XNU/darwin(macOS)) and even if there is tons of stuff I don’t like with macOS and their non-repairable hardware I have to admit that battery life, trackpad feeling, monitor, speaker and build quality are very hard to beat.
But unfortunately due to the undocumented arm architecture of Apple Silicon you will have hard time running GNU/Linux on M macs.
My MacBook is my last non-linux based machine as of today and I have difficulties switching it even if I want it very bad, some of my software don’t run well on Linux even through Wine/CrossOver and the battery life and idle power are the main reason why I am still using a lockdown OS on one of my laptop.
Prisoner says his walled garden is perfect.
more than a prisoner, it’s Stockholm’s syndrome
mac is something different to me. İt is perfect.
That’s a carefully crafted illusion. And if you’re a power user, it won’t last long.
İ could have buy tuxedo infinit book 14 pro but they dont ship to my country. What should i do?
Buy any other laptop, e.g. Lenovo.
Agree! I was disappointed when I switched my work laptop from a Windows laptop to a Mac. Nice hardware, nice battery life, nice integration with my iCloud/phone. Some things you have to get used to. Others are, in my mind, idiotic stuff (I’m looking at you, Task Switcher, third party mouse support, and keyboard troubles when remoting to Windows servers, weird keyboard shortcuts, just to name a few).
Overall it’s better than Windows but it just have some other quirks that I never thought would be a problem/challenge. I’ve gotten used to most and found solutions others most, but still got the biggest issue with the keyboard on remote servers.
i’d get an m1/m2 macbook pro second hand that can run asahi linux. even for macOS, the latest version atm (26 Tahoe) is an absolute dumpster fire so i’ll get something that can run monterey.
macos is not that bad, you still have to fight the OS to disable intrusive features but not as bad as windows. and macports is good
Asahi while being an incredible project, that I fully support the people working on it, is not very usable.
It’s running, sure, but you will miss very important hardware features such as hardware acceleration and speaker. You cannot tell someone “Buy a supported mac and install Asahi on it!” it’s not honest about what how your software will utilized your hardware.
How often do you work for 12-14 hours straight without any access to electricity?
If Linux is actually of any interest for you, giving up on it because of a few hours of battery life, feels weird for me. Why not invest in a power bank or make it work some other way.
With that said. You’re obviously free to use whatever you want to. I personally can’t stand Apple and their incredibly barebones, limited and locked down operating system.
İt is not only the battery life, it is heavy, hard to carry, it is and windows gaming laptop so i cannot even use it without on charge
Didn’t you talk about getting a new laptop computer?
It’s not 12-14 hours of straight working. It’s 12-14 hours without charging. Sometimes it’s just not convenient. Do you always go home from work and remember to charge your laptop? Never forgetting, consistently every day doing this?
Plus thanks to S0 standby using so much power just the laptop being in sleep is a decent battery drain.
Do you always go home from work and remember to charge your laptop? Never forgetting, consistently every day doing this?
Yes…?
Do other people really have a problem doing this?
Yes. Life gets in the way sometimes.
I don’t know about you. But when I get home my work laptop stays in my backpack, and I don’t think about it. I need a laptop with enough battery life that I can get into work the next day and get through a 4 hour meeting without worrying if it’s going to die regardless of what I was doing the previous day.
this is a bizarre response, so what do u do the day after that when you forget to recharge?
Meetings. Have you never had a day where you’re constantly bouncing between meetings, or helping others?
It always stays in your backpack at home, and your meeting rooms at work don’t have electricity?
It’s not always accessible. Not all tables have built in outlets in spots that’d reach where I need to be.
Talk to the person in charge of the meeting room. Every meeting room should have good ventilation, electricity and water. It’s like human rights kind of stuff. :D
I don’t understand. A laptop computer on standby lasts days on battery?
If I had to regularly use a laptop computer I would charge it every day when I got home. It would just have been part of the daily routine I have when I get back home from work.
Also, do you need that long battery life? If yes, ARM or really new intel processors with energy saving cores seem to be the way to go.
Check how much of the hardware Asahi linux supports. But I would avoid buying Apple hardware for this. It is not repairable and they might refuse to help if you run Linux or something. Luke Rossman can tell you about how shit apples customer support is.
Also, do you need that long battery life? If yes, ARM or really new intel processors with energy saving cores seem to be the way to go.
I don’t have experience with it myself. But what I’ve read so far is, that the Snapdragon support by Linux is quite bad. Not sure if I would recommend that…
But the new Intel CPU’s are great. They are quite efficient and performant.
What advice do you expect from a Linux discussion group? I suggest you do what you feel is right for a subjective decision like this, all hearing other people’s opinions will do is confirm your feelings.
You’re looking for permission not for recommendation. Get your Macbook.
Actually, you are right brooo
well I could give you a solution, generally with x86_64 architecture they use a lot more wattage than macbooks, m-chip SOC’s (system-on-chip) utilize about 30W of energy whereas just a modern x86_64 CPU utilize 15W. which means you have a 15W overhead for your GPU and memory generally speaking.
So the entire reason your getting less battery life is OS required applications for it to function, and you. So if you minimize the amount of wattage (ideally building a linux system from scratch) you can optimize it to consume less resources.
I did this with my personal laptop, installed arch and mangoWM, didn’t even bother with a display manager or network manager (still use iwctl). on idle it uses about 600 MB, and I’ve beaten the m1. my point is not to compare or benchmark the macbook, but to just show you that you can maximize battery life with a little tinkering. So long as you are comfortable doing it.
I have used pop_os and cosmic DE it should be noted that is a beta version of pop_is, which means there are plenty of bugs, which means there are still a lot of optimizations. the fact you could get 12 hour battery is kinda surprising especially with a nvidia GPU.
Running Linux on a Macbook is also an option (what I currently do, you need a supported model though), and it would probably have better battery life than an rtx4060 laptop and you get the nice touchpad/screen/aesthetics. Alternatively, you can consider getting a different less power hungry laptop, and in both cases you can use a charging bank if you have to.
just use what works for you? 14h battery life is gonna happen when we have proper arm laptops with good linux support, in the meantime you have to compromise. I think there are some arm laptops that are usable on linux, but it’s gonna be a science project not a stable workhorse machine
The Intel Panther Lake chips apparently approach the same kind of battery life as the M-series chips, so the newer XPS machines actually look like a worthwhile competitor that’s capable of running Linux.
EDIT: The Framework 13 Pro also has a panther lake chip and promises pretty beastly battery life, so if OP is willing to wait, that might be a good alternative as well.
But do they have the same performance per watt under real life workloads?
Intel CPUs are great at 100% idle, and 100% load. Anything less than that and they tend to fall on their face.
My 12th Gen. Intel laptop gets about 4 hours of battery life just doing Remote Desktop. Going full tilt it’s fairly efficient. At 100% idle it can be good. But a simple task that keeps the CPU lightly busy and it falls on its face.
Lunar lake is still better somehow
just get a mac that supports linux and dualboot
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Hey whatever the fuck you want.
