I’ve struggled to be musical all my life–took lessons, took college classes, did ear training, etc.

I think I finally cracked the code, and it’s surprisingly simple:

  1. Learn to play melodies by ear (starts with singing)
  2. Learn only enough theory to:
  • know your way around your instrument (scales, arpeggios)
  • understand chords
  • understand song structure
  1. Experiment (ie have fun!)

The most anal formal exercise I’d recommend is learning to hear relative scale degrees (two very good apps available for that)–though I think that skill would be developed by transcribing (playing by ear), it’s helpful for your confidence level to have graded exercises you can have some success with.

But my experience with most of my music teachers is they fall into one of two traps:

For classical music, it’s:

  1. Learn how to translate written notes into notes on your instrument.
  2. Go to 1.

For instance: I was taking clarinet lessons and I remember my teacher saying goodbye to his last student–a kid–and the teacher said, “If you bring me the sheet music for it, we can learn to play it.” And I thought what a missed opportunity that was for that girl to learn to hear and transcribe music–obviously not a skill he thought was important to the teacher at all. And I’d understand now wanting to do that for piano, which is really complicated, but learning to play a melody by ear on a single note instrument is a very achievable goal, especially when you have someone that can tell you what key it’s in and what the first note is.

The trap for jazz music is:

  1. Learn what are the “right” notes to play.
  2. Play them in any random order.

I used to blame teachers for just being bad at their jobs, but I think students (and maybe parents/administrators) are also to blame.

I ran across a senior guy who was trying to get back into piano. He’d played for a few years and it was clear he had no idea of how to be musical–no idea of how to construct a simple bass line, no knowledge of how to define a chord. So I said, “Hey, I’ll work with you even though I don’t play piano, I think you need to learn this song and just play the root and the five in the left hand, and sing the melody while you play, and use a metronome.” What an amazing exercise I thought: it would help teach him timing, develop his ear, develop his feel, let him be expressive with his voice, let him embody the melody, lear to work the bass, etc. Aren’t I brilliant teacher?

You know what this guy did? He pulled out his phone to show me some recordings he did of him playing the song the way his music teacher had written it out for him; it was what I expected–just haltingly reading the music with no sense of time. I wasn’t sure, but I think he wanted me to praise him for playing such a complex piece.

For him, and maybe for a lot of students (and certainly for parents and administrators), they don’t actually want to master music, they want to impress people. And maybe for the musically disinclined, haltingly playing a complex written piece is more impressive than a 2-note bassline in time with an expressive voiceline sensitive to dynamic; since most people in charge of music education (parents and school administrators) don’t know music, maybe they would promote a teacher who taught the former and fire a teacher who taught the latter…

For jazz programs, I think they’ve got a lot of theory they’ve got to cram into the kids heads, and we can learn theory a lot faster than we can develop musically, so if you’re going to be judged on “performance” of your students, you’ll be rewarded for having them be able to pass essentially paper exams set to music more than for having them skillfully play pentatonic blues.

I don’t know what the answer is, but for some reason, actually mastering music is very low on the list for both teachers and students.

What’s all y’all’s experience with music and music education?

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    I was born in the mid 80s. I couldn’t find anything remotely Indian in the music. It’s too fast. The traditional Konkani music, which is Goa’s culture is very much different from this type of music. It’s more the Americanised kind of music.

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      Interesting that you say that, I think most of the people visiting were from Europe, that specific genre of electronic music was never really popular in America at all for some reason. I’m not sure what else to tell you about it, you asked what it was and I told you, I’m not here to argue the authenticity of it ugh

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        It’s true that Goa is primarily haunted by the Westerners. It’s the only place in my country where Westerners can be less like foreigners and more ‘at home’. I don’t have much knowledge about Goa, as l live on the other side of the country. But yes, Konkani music is definitely different from the list that you’ve provided.

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          Ah, I’m sorry if I ever made the impression that I thought this was somehow Indian music, there are other producers have infuse more Indian elements into their sound, but I know it’s heavily from things like american disco, house, techno, german industrial, berlin school, etc. It’s just the music they played at the beach parties there, the name probably sounded cool and ethnic to someone and it stuck I guess, as these things go. I do think the area is very beautiful though, I would love to visit India some day as a whole not just there. Thanks for sharing your perspective and the music

          OH! I just thought of something of interest connecting these worlds, here’s an album from an indian artist from the 80s that uses an instrument that is used in a lot of other techno and later music, the roland tb-303, which was original meant to replace a bass guitar. This album was recently re-discovered, it was way ahead of it’s time

          Charanjit Singh - Ten Ragas To A Disco Beat
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHEWnFgUCwM