Because of the ubiquity, nay, monopoly of systemd I always assumed it was miles ahead of other init systems. Nope. I’ve been using a non-systemd environment for a while and must say I’m surprised by how little breaks, i.e., next to nothing. Moreover, boot and shutdown times are faster, and more of that good stuff. I suggest trying it out.

https://nosystemd.org/.

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    That old load of bullshit again. You could swap out the logs if you want a shittier, less searchable (but text based) logging system. The rest can be countered in a similarly conclusive way, and has been repeatedly in the last decade or so.

    Inform yourself before copy-pasting misinformation and misleading propaganda.

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      less searchable

      text based

      I don’t know how you reach this conclusion, the format has been standardized for decades.

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        Can you add more fields? Is there no ambiguity in context switching? No breakage around whitespace?

        If so, sure, that’s fine then.

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          They both get ingested into Splunk (or whatever tool is used by the company) in any context where this would be a problem. It’s one of those things that in practice has never been a problem in my experience.

          By the point/scale that context switching, log injection (forging) whitespace is a concern, I’m not piping shell commands. It’s over engineered.

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            Nah, the issue is accidental corruption, different parsers doing things differently, stuff like that. Happens often with “mostly text but actually some structured data also” formats, doesn’t happen with formats that have well specified framing.

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      15 hours ago

      Oh look, someone arguing that their lived experience is different to my lived experience, therefore mine is wrong.

      🤡👞

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        WTF. Saying “it uses binlogs” as if that wasn’t a choice is just a lie. I called it out. Deal with it.

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          12 hours ago

          binlogs suck ass, you can’t convince me otherwise. Its slow and shite. Continue to suck.

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            12 hours ago

            Read. I’m saying that you lied, not that your preferences are bad.

            Systemd doesn’t force you to use binlogs.

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              12 hours ago

              its the default, its the default everywhere, nobody is changing that configuration because systemd is a massive blob of nonsense.

              Why is it the default?

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                Because most people prefer it. Again: having a minority taste doesn’t mean you’re oppressed when there’s an option to have what you want.

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                  12 hours ago

                  I don’t remember anyone -asking- for systemd, I just remember being subjected to it at the time it started getting popular.

                  If systemd is the solution, I want my problem back.

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                    That’s because you very clearly had nothing to do with developing or maintaining Linux distros. You’re just a user with an ego problem. There are plenty of explanations that exist now and then to explain why systemd was desirable, and why it ended up in basically every major Linux distro, including Arch and Debian, both of which are not corporate, but community developed.