Thousands? A cheap e-bike or, God forbid, a non electric bike is far less expensive than any car.
Okay, so you mooch off of work’s electricity to charge your car. Good for you. I never said you had to use a bike to commute. Maybe just to pop down to a corner store. If you don’t live somewhere that has anything like that close by, then maybe quit bitching at those of us that choose to live close to society have more and better options for transportation than you do.
The idea isn’t to get rid of your car that you’re obviously angry that you had to spend a whole bunch of money on and are forced to sit in traffic every day with. The idea is, where possible, to eliminate the need for something as big as a car for whatever is possible.
Not trying to move goalpoasts, trying to provide options that might be cheaper for you, since you mentioned cost. Repeatedly.
A bike is not intended to be a redundant vehicle. It’s intended to replace a much larger, heavier, and less efficient vehicle for shorter trips. I’ve got an e-trike I use to make trips to the grocery store on occasion, when it’s just me and I don’t need the space. Gets me up and moving, saves gas, and doesn’t take that much longer, especially since I do all my shopping on the weekends. I’ll grab fast food on it, too, and it’s great for that because I can cut through neighborhoods and trails rather than have to deal with being tailgated all the time.
I shouldn’t have to use my car all the time. That’s the point. If you’re in a city, you shouldn’t have to use your car, either. Nobody should.
A bike is not intended to be a redundant vehicle. It’s intended to replace a much larger, heavier, and less efficient vehicle for shorter trips.
But…why?
Regardless of its intent, that’s what it is. Redundant. Because once again, it can’t do anything my car can’t. And once again, if it could replace my car, I’d be all in. But it can’t.
Gets me up and moving, saves gas, and doesn’t take that much longer
I ride bikes ~4 hours/week, recreationally so I already get my movement that way. But at present I’m very limited on where I can safely go. Most destinations don’t have a safe path, or are too far away, or require long detours. When I ride my bike I load it up on my car because there’s no way to get anywhere other than a literal highway without so much as a shoulder to ride on.
I shouldn’t have to use my car all the time. That’s the point. If you’re in a city, you shouldn’t have to use your car, either. Nobody should.
I agree. I shouldn’t. It would be my preference to ditch the car. But it would add several hours to my daily commute, I would arrive at work wet as a fucking mop and stinking from the 100F+ weather (not to mention rain). And there’s a strong possibility I would literally die along the way. Or I guess I could get another job and take a pay or QoL cut. I literally cannot afford to move.
Thousands? A cheap e-bike or, God forbid, a non electric bike is far less expensive than any car.
Okay, so you mooch off of work’s electricity to charge your car. Good for you. I never said you had to use a bike to commute. Maybe just to pop down to a corner store. If you don’t live somewhere that has anything like that close by, then maybe quit bitching at those of us that choose to live close to society have more and better options for transportation than you do.
The idea isn’t to get rid of your car that you’re obviously angry that you had to spend a whole bunch of money on and are forced to sit in traffic every day with. The idea is, where possible, to eliminate the need for something as big as a car for whatever is possible.
Is the most expensive bike you’ll ever own.
Moving the goalposts.
No, but the OP said I should. That’s what I was replying to.
…no one is “bitching at you”. No one suggested you shouldn’t do that. I don’t know where you got any of that from.
It is for me. I’m not spending thousands of dollars on a redundant vehicle.
I’m not and I don’t.
You’re arguing with a strawman here. All of the points you think I’m making are imaginary, made up in your head somehow.
Not trying to move goalpoasts, trying to provide options that might be cheaper for you, since you mentioned cost. Repeatedly.
A bike is not intended to be a redundant vehicle. It’s intended to replace a much larger, heavier, and less efficient vehicle for shorter trips. I’ve got an e-trike I use to make trips to the grocery store on occasion, when it’s just me and I don’t need the space. Gets me up and moving, saves gas, and doesn’t take that much longer, especially since I do all my shopping on the weekends. I’ll grab fast food on it, too, and it’s great for that because I can cut through neighborhoods and trails rather than have to deal with being tailgated all the time.
I shouldn’t have to use my car all the time. That’s the point. If you’re in a city, you shouldn’t have to use your car, either. Nobody should.
But…why?
Regardless of its intent, that’s what it is. Redundant. Because once again, it can’t do anything my car can’t. And once again, if it could replace my car, I’d be all in. But it can’t.
I ride bikes ~4 hours/week, recreationally so I already get my movement that way. But at present I’m very limited on where I can safely go. Most destinations don’t have a safe path, or are too far away, or require long detours. When I ride my bike I load it up on my car because there’s no way to get anywhere other than a literal highway without so much as a shoulder to ride on.
I agree. I shouldn’t. It would be my preference to ditch the car. But it would add several hours to my daily commute, I would arrive at work wet as a fucking mop and stinking from the 100F+ weather (not to mention rain). And there’s a strong possibility I would literally die along the way. Or I guess I could get another job and take a pay or QoL cut. I literally cannot afford to move.
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